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For those of us that are Twilight fans, I thought I might start this thread to keep us occupied until Breaking Dawn comes out, and then to talk about the book once it is released.

First, for those who aren't aware of Stephenie Meyer's website, it's one of the best author's websites I've seen. Currently, she is providing a quote of the day from Breaking Dawn, every day until the book is released, so you might want to check out the quotes.

But I thought we might look at some of the various ideas we've come up with as far as what might happen in Breaking Dawn. Things like, does Bella become a vampire and does she end up with any extra powers, does she marry Edward, what happens to Jacob, etc. I'll post my thoughts in a few days...
 

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Seriously, Jacob was SO sweet...I almost would love him more lol.

But...ya can't really compare with Edward.

I definitely think Bella's gonna change, and she'll marry Edward. I see a happy ending with everything falling into place.

Do you think Meyer will do the whole series again, from Edward's POV? I know she's already doing "Midnight Sun" which is "Twilight" from his perspective. Sounds awesome!
 
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OH, it better end happy! I would die if just one character had a sad ending...or died. T_T My dream is for Bella to marry Edward, become a vampire, destroy the Volturi somehow (lol), for Jacob to imprint on someone soon so he can be truly happy, for Bella and Jacob to stay as best friends, for Rosalie to finally love Bella like a family member, and for no main character to die!! xD I know, it's a lot to ask for. lol
 
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Seriously, Jacob was SO sweet...I almost would love him more lol.

But...ya can't really compare with Edward.

I definitely think Bella's gonna change, and she'll marry Edward. I see a happy ending with everything falling into place.

Do you think Meyer will do the whole series again, from Edward's POV? I know she's already doing "Midnight Sun" which is "Twilight" from his perspective. Sounds awesome!

You might be interested in the interview SM did with Entertainment Weekly, it can be found here. It is a nice interview and her impressions of the movie. She answers your question about Midnight Sun, saying that she only plans to write the single book which will be the equivalent of Twilight. I found it interesting that part of the reason she doesn't want to write the next book from Edward's perspective would be the pain she'd feel from Edward, writing from his perspective about the events that occur in New Moon.

Oh, about how some fans have been saying they hope Jacob dies, SM said that for her it would be similar to the death of one of her children. So I think we're pretty safe from any main characters dying off (other than Bella dying to become a vampire). SM mentioned that she is happy with Breaking Dawn, that the story ends they way it is supposed to.
 
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Oh, thanks, Maren!! =D Now I do feel confident that BD will have a happy ending. I'm so glad that this woman isn't like J.K.Rowling in that she doesn't feel the need to kill off any main characters. I'm so glad that she cares for her characters just as much as the fans do. ^^ *gasp* BD is almost a week away, people!
 
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Entertainment Weekly revealed a spoiler today, it is from early in the book. If you want to read it, you can find it here or in the spoiler tag below. If you wish to talk about the spoiler then please use a spoiler tag so as not to give it away to people who do not wish to see the information, at least until Saturday.

But Meyer, clapping her hands and bobbing on her toes, reveals that she had the great fun of writing Bella and Edward's wedding scene. ''And it's not a dream sequence!'' Meyer promises with a laugh. ''It's the actual wedding between Edward and Bella. The wedding! I'm a girly girl so it's something I've been waiting for too.'' Before anyone throws their computer out their bedroom window, screaming that the surprise of the summer has now been ruined for them, Meyer promises that the wedding takes place early on in Breaking Dawn.
 
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NO no spoilers for me! I like to discover the story as I read it.

Good grief, who said they hope Jacob dies??? He's awesome, I never want him to die. Frankly, I think he may have imprinted on Bella and just hasn't told her. Wouldn't that be a delightfully tragic complication? I love tragedy!

Edward DID make a cryptic comment at one point, like "If I could make myself human again, I would." Who knows if that might be a twist in BD?

I seriously can't imagine Bella changing now...especially knowing that she'd be a bloodthirsty maniac for several years (years, not weeks or months!) afterward. That wouldn't make a happy ending for BD "Bella changes into a vampire, Edward drags her off into the sunset while she's foaming at the mouth and screaming for blood".

Oh, the suspense...it's terrible...I love it, lol.
 
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NO no spoilers for me! I like to discover the story as I read it.

Good grief, who said they hope Jacob dies??? He's awesome, I never want him to die. Frankly, I think he may have imprinted on Bella and just hasn't told her. Wouldn't that be a delightfully tragic complication? I love tragedy!

Edward DID make a cryptic comment at one point, like "If I could make myself human again, I would." Who knows if that might be a twist in BD?

I seriously can't imagine Bella changing now...especially knowing that she'd be a bloodthirsty maniac for several years (years, not weeks or months!) afterward. That wouldn't make a happy ending for BD "Bella changes into a vampire, Edward drags her off into the sunset while she's foaming at the mouth and screaming for blood".

Oh, the suspense...it's terrible...I love it, lol.

Actually, we know that Jacob didn't imprint on Bella -- sorry to disappoint you. We know this for a couple of reasons; one is that Edward has read Jacob's thoughts and he would be able to tell. Two, Jacob has been mean to Bella since becoming a werewolf, which would be impossible if he had imprinted.

And 2A, if you will, Jacob initially would not tell Bella about being a werewolf, he couldn't because Sam had prohibited it (and other things later that Sam prohibited mentioning); if Jacob had imprinted then Jacob could not have kept those secrets from Bella (Bella's desires would have overridden Sam's orders).

As for Bella changing, I've heard a couple of ideas as to how it might be handled. One idea is that Bella might not have the control issues for years. Part of the reasoning is that she is choosing to change and knows going in about what is going to happen. The other part is the idea that Bella oddly can smell blood already, something that as a human she isn't supposed to be able to do.

The other, and possibly more likely idea, is that the time that Bella spends "adjusting" (for lack of a better word) will be handled much like New Moon handled her dark months, where there will be a single page per month (or each year).
 
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I really wasn't convinced that Jacob had imprinted on Bella; was just kinda hoping for it cause it would provide more great drama, lol. I don't want him to imprint on anyone else. Maybe it'll happen in BD. I just love the conflict and drama...I'm an emotional [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] lol.

I still don't want Bella to change at all...like she said, she won't be "Bella" in the same way anymore.

Yeah, I think the facts that 1) She's so sensitive to the smell of blood and 2) Her mind is unreadable by the vampires .. definitely mean something that will come into play in the end.

Leah turned out to be a female werewolf; something they didn't think existed at all. The vampires can't read werewolf thoughts. Could Bella be another werewolf waiting to happen? Could she somehow be related to the tribes without knowing it yet?
 
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I really wasn't convinced that Jacob had imprinted on Bella; was just kinda hoping for it cause it would provide more great drama, lol. I don't want him to imprint on anyone else. Maybe it'll happen in BD. I just love the conflict and drama...I'm an emotional [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] lol.

I still don't want Bella to change at all...like she said, she won't be "Bella" in the same way anymore.

Yeah, I think the facts that 1) She's so sensitive to the smell of blood and 2) Her mind is unreadable by the vampires .. definitely mean something that will come into play in the end.

I think that her mind is "untouchable" will play into what her vampire power will end up being. My thought has been something like being able to "mirror" other vampires abilities; that she will be able to read Edward's thoughts and be able to cause Jane pain, etc.

Leah turned out to be a female werewolf; something they didn't think existed at all.

If I recall correctly, there had been female werewolves in the past, just that they didn't really believe women would normally become werewolves. Jacob even mentions how they shouldn't be surprised when things like that happen and find out that all the old stories are true.

I am curious to find out what is causing them to become werewolves. Carlisle has his own theory that is different from what the Quileutes believe -- and there are some indications that the Quileutes may well be wrong. For example, the first time the Cullens came only a couple of people in the tribe became werewolves, despite the fact that there were four Cullens. Yet now they have ten in the pack when there are seven Cullens. Why more werewolves now than before? This is something I think may be answered in Breaking Dawn.

The vampires can't read werewolf thoughts.

Actually, only Edward (of the vampires) can read thoughts and he can read all the werewolves thoughts; remember Edward served as the wolves spokesman in the training sessions. You might also remember Edward talking of how fascinating it is to see the "pack mind" at work, all the different minds together. Bella is the only person (including werewolves) that Edward has not been able to read.

Could Bella be another werewolf waiting to happen? Could she somehow be related to the tribes without knowing it yet?

I've seen that idea tossed around and I personally doubt it. Even if she has a percentage of Quileute blood, she would have to be related to one of the chiefs. I suspect if Bella was going to change she would have already.

I've also seen people suggest that maybe Bella can't be changed to a vampire. The theory I've seen that sounds reasonable is that she partially changed when James bit her, and that since she partially changed and the change was stopped she has a type of immunity now. We now she partially changed because around the scar is always cold and because it sparkles in the sunlight.

Only about three more days until we get the answers! :D
 
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Here's the quote from "Eclipse" about Leah becoming a werewolf:



He (Edward) chuckled. "They take all of their legends so seriously. It turns out there are things that none of their stories prepared them for."

I (Bella) sighed. "Okay, I'll bite. What are you talking about?"

"They always accepted without question that it was only the direct grandsons of the original wolf who had the power to transform."



So, it was never even thought that any werewolves had been female, up to that point.

True about Edward reading the werewolves' thoughts...I was thinking of Alice not being able to see them.

I pre-ordered B.D....trying to be patient!
 
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Here's the quote from "Eclipse" about Leah becoming a werewolf:



He (Edward) chuckled. "They take all of their legends so seriously. It turns out there are things that none of their stories prepared them for."

I (Bella) sighed. "Okay, I'll bite. What are you talking about?"

"They always accepted without question that it was only the direct grandsons of the original wolf who had the power to transform."



So, it was never even thought that any werewolves had been female, up to that point.

True about Edward reading the werewolves' thoughts...I was thinking of Alice not being able to see them.

I pre-ordered B.D....trying to be patient!

I thought I remembered something in one of the stories about a wife becoming a werewolf, though I have to admit that I remembered wrong. I do wish BD would have better explained Leah, given her a better ending or explanation.

I've seen several negative reviews on BD, seems like people are rather evenly split between loving and hating it. Most of the haters seem unrealistic to me because it is, in most ways, what all the other books have been. They are fantasy books with something of a Pollyanna attitude where everything works out in the end. I also think it was inevitable many would be disappointed with so many Jacob fans wanting Bella to end up with Jacob and bad things to happen to the Cullens, whereas many Edward fans wanted Jacob to go away/die -- and there was no way to have both these things occur.

This series has always been fantasy with everything working out in the end. Bella has been near death multiple times in the series, and again almost dies before becoming a vampire.

I will admit I didn't like Bella getting pregnant. I think it bothered me most because I heard somewhere, can't remember at the moment if it was an interview of Stephanie's or in one of the books, that all fluids of vampires are venom. So, how does that venom make a human pregnant? Aside from that piece of trivia, however; I have to admit that it was hinted at enough times in the previous books. Not to mention, it was a way to reconcile Bella and Rosalie.

I also have issues with Jacob imprinting on the baby. Though, in many ways something similar had to happen. I suspected that Jacob might imprint on a vampire; it was one of the few ways I could see Jacob ever being able to accept Bella becoming a vampire. So, while I understand the device to help create the happy ending where everybody lives together in peace and harmony, it was just too easy and too weird (creepy in some ways).

And one last mention, Charlie seems much too clueless/"don't want to know" even for Charlie.

They book ended pretty much like I expected, with everyone living happily ever after and the problems resolved; and if you've been reading the series you had to know that is how it was going to end. It became doubly obvious when, as I mentioned previously, SM said that these characters have become like her children. So, I'm probably one of the few that is mixed. I thought she took too easy of an out through the most difficult problems but I expected/wanted the happy ending and I did not see much of it coming. But I'll also say that this is why I don't want any sequels to The Host, and why sequels are not a good idea in general.
 
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ok, i just read it - my 15 yo dd has the books and i read them all this week.
i was worried that the romance stuff would go to far for a 15 yo, but the author did not do that.
i just found out she is lds.
perhaps that is why she did not go overboard with the sex stuff.
anyway, the books are good and i enjoyed reading them.
 
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"Breaking Dawn" has some pretty steamy moments and pretty blatant hints, but...it stays fairly tasteful.

Anyone else done reading it? When can we discuss??? lol

If you look above in this thread, I mentioned some of my thoughts there (though they are in the spoiler tag). I'm just finishing it up for the second time. I'd love to hear what you thought and we shouldn't need the spoiler tags anymore.
 
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I don't see any post-reading thoughts from you, only your thoughts from before you read the book?

I loved the first section; the wedding, the honeymoon. It went downhill after that for me. I never wanted Bella to be changed. She stopped being "Bella" for me the moment that happened. She lost every trait that made me love her; her vulnerability, her clumsiness, her low self-esteem, her moodiness. I hate the fact that she had a child. Bella, to me, is the broody, clumsy teenager who can't believe that Edward loves her. She isn't a vampire, she isn't a wife, and she certainly isn't this instant just-add-water mother! I supposed Meyer wanted to give us lots of surprises and kinda of wrap everything up and give the fans what they wanted, but I think it was rushed and hasty. And a good author, IMO, doesn't give the fans what they demand; she stays true to the story, true to the characters, and the fans can take it or leave it.

All that said, I can't WAIT for Midnight Sun. And I definitely plan to see the movies.
 
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I don't see any post-reading thoughts from you, only your thoughts from before you read the book?

Post #13 was after I finished the book and my comments are in the spoiler tag of that post. I realized there would be people who wouldn't have finished the book and didn't want to put my comments in the open.

I loved the first section; the wedding, the honeymoon. It went downhill after that for me. I never wanted Bella to be changed. She stopped being "Bella" for me the moment that happened. She lost every trait that made me love her; her vulnerability, her clumsiness, her low self-esteem, her moodiness.

As for becoming a vampire, I think that was inevitable with the way Eclipse ended. And I think most of us were curious exactly how she would change.

But that is life, people mature and change. Most teenagers, in particular teenage girls, are clumsy while they adjust to their changing body and most grow out of it. Now, granted, she went from being uncoordinated to coordinated, which doesn't usually happen; instead I think what bothered me is how easy that transition was for her. She didn't have a problem where she forgot she wasn't clumsy anymore. I suppose some of that would be blamed on her super vampire mind but still seems like it should have made more of an impression on her. Though it did bother me that Bella saved the day at the end of the book, becoming the big hero instead of the victim -- it just seemed too much.

As for low self-esteem, I never really saw her as having a bad self-esteem. I think she had a somewhat honest, if slightly pessimistic, view of herself. Rather, in comparison from Edward she was weak and not as intelligent, nor as beautiful; but those changed when she became a vampire.

I hate the fact that she had a child. Bella, to me, is the broody, clumsy teenager who can't believe that Edward loves her. She isn't a vampire, she isn't a wife, and she certainly isn't this instant just-add-water mother!

I didn't have a problem with Bella being a mother. It did seem odd, and poorly written, that she went from not really caring about having a child to wanting one desperately overnight (seemingly just from a nightmare). OTOH, there are women I've known in RL that were that way, didn't want a child until they found out they were pregnant. My problem with the child was only that it seemed like such a contrived plot device.

I supposed Meyer wanted to give us lots of surprises and kinda of wrap everything up and give the fans what they wanted, but I think it was rushed and hasty. And a good author, IMO, doesn't give the fans what they demand; she stays true to the story, true to the characters, and the fans can take it or leave it.

All that said, I can't WAIT for Midnight Sun. And I definitely plan to see the movies.

Actually, as many fans are upset as are happy. Meyer has said all along that she's writing these for herself and not for her fans -- she knows she can't make her fans happy. As such, this book was her own wish fulfillment. Bella is, at least to some degree, a version of Stephenie Meyer. She has mentioned how she was the girl in high school who guys weren't interested in but had lots of dates in college; which is the same as Bella switching to Forks. I think Stephenie, being a mother and loving her children, wanted Bella to be the same way. Not to mention, it was the one thing she hadn't really thought about, just like prior to the end of Eclipse, she never really thought about what else she'd give up by becoming a vampire.

And she has set up the future books that won't be from Bella's POV. One that seems inevitable is Jacob and Renesmee. And there has to be some resolution to the Volturi, though I find it hard to figure out what might happen. The Cullen's have no interest in taking over the job of enforcer of rules but I can't see the Volturi allowing the accusations made to go unanswered/unpunished.

One last complaint, I didn't like the way she left the Quilieute pack, seems like they should have reformed with Jake as the leader. Granted, while Jake doesn't want it, he is the Alpha by birth. I can't see the Quilieute's allowing two packs.
 
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