Brahma/Abraham & Saraisvati/Sarai

[Kris_J]

"There are certain striking similarities between the Hindu god Brahma and his consort Saraisvati, and the Jewish Abraham and Sarai, that are more than mere coincidences. Although in all of India there is only one temple dedicated to Brahma, this cult is the third largest Hindu sect."

Comments?

& can Hindus shed some light on who/what Brahma & Sarai are about?

 

[Theowne]

Well, Brahma and Saraswati are deities which are manifestations or aspects of the Supreme Being, while I believe that Abraham is a prophet or patriarch? It would be helpful if you could post the nature of these similarities and their indications.

 

[Osiris]

although, I am not an expert on Hindu scriptures... if you say there are similarities between what you posted, I have also noticed similarities between Jesus and Krishna. There would be too many similarities for them to be a coincidence.

 

[Kris_J]

Even by merely looking at names & their description of who/what their God is like. There are so many similarities that are likely to be more than a coincidence.

It could be that the Hindu Brahmins are of an Abrahamic religion like Christianity, Judaism & Islam...

 

[Theowne]

It could be that the Hindu Brahmins are of an Abrahamic religion like Christianity, Judaism & Islam...

....that doesn't make sense....

"Brahma" and "Brahmin" are not literally connected......

 

[Kris_J]

From wiki:

The word Brahmin is said to literally mean One who has realised or attempts to realise Brahman.

The word is related to, but not to be confused with, the Hindu religious conception of the transcendent and immanent supreme soul, "Brahman".

 

[psychedelicist]

I thought brahmins most often referred to one of the 4 castes, I don't know if they were authority figures or rulers themselves, but something along those lines.

But it still doesn't address the issue of how they could have anything to do with abrahamic religions. Perhaps you could be a bit more specific?

 

[Osiris]

I thought brahmins most often referred to one of the 4 castes, I don't know if they were authority figures or rulers themselves, but something along those lines.

But it still doesn't address the issue of how they could have anything to do with abrahamic religions. Perhaps you could be a bit more specific?

I thought the relations of those religions in the OP were like the relation between folklores between cultures.

 

[polygone]

"There are certain striking similarities between the Hindu god Brahma and his consort Saraisvati, and the Jewish Abraham and Sarai, that are more than mere coincidences. Although in all of India there is only one temple dedicated to Brahma, this cult is the third largest Hindu sect."

Brahma is the Creator according to Vedanta. Every process has a cycle of Creation, Sustainence and Destruction, and Brahma is the creation aspect of all entities (by that I mean everything, including living and non-living). Saraswati is one of the forms of Gayatri (the mother of the Vedas) who is worshipped for "gaining" knowledge and intellect. So, as you can see, there really is no similarity between Brahma/Abraham and Saraswati/Sarai.

 

[arunma]

"There are certain striking similarities between the Hindu god Brahma and his consort Saraisvati, and the Jewish Abraham and Sarai, that are more than mere coincidences. Although in all of India there is only one temple dedicated to Brahma, this cult is the third largest Hindu sect."

Comments?

& can Hindus shed some light on who/what Brahma & Sarai are about?

Sarai isn't a Hindu figure. Sarai is the wife of Abraham, and her name was later changed to Sarah. See Genesis 17:15.

 

[polygone]

I have also noticed similarities between Jesus and Krishna. There would be too many similarities for them to be a coincidence.

Character wise, yes because humans always percieve their Gods in a similar manner. But if you how the two were described "as persons", then there is a world of difference. Also, the birth dates of the two completely differ, since Krishna was born in 3102 BC.

 

[arunma]

Character wise, yes because humans always percieve their Gods in a similar manner. But if you how the two were described "as persons", then there is a world of difference. Also, the birth dates of the two completely differ, since Krishna was born in 3102 BC.

I think he may be trying to say that the Gospel account of Christ is a work of fiction which was copied from the mythology of Krishna, and adapted with a Middle Eastern theme. If this is not what he means to insinuate, then I have no idea why anyone would be motivated to draw this parallel.

 

[rahul_sharma]

Sarai isn't a Hindu figure. Sarai is the wife of Abraham, and her name was later changed to Sarah. See Genesis 17:15.

yes, Sarai/h is wife of Abraham and Sarahswati is wife of Brahma.

 

[rahul_sharma]

I had posted similar thread long ago...if anyone want to go in detail , than go through...

All Roads lead to Hinduism ?

 

[sefroth77]

"There are certain striking similarities between the Hindu god Brahma and his consort Saraisvati, and the Jewish Abraham and Sarai, that are more than mere coincidences. Although in all of India there is only one temple dedicated to Brahma, this cult is the third largest Hindu sect."

Comments?

& can Hindus shed some light on who/what Brahma & Sarai are about?

Lord Brahma and his consort Sarasvati are different from Abraham and Sarai. It could be that the Jews could have imported the idea drom the Hindus and twist to suit their political ambitions.

Lord Brahma is a Deva(Demi-God) or a Higher Being. He Exist in his own planet known as SatyaLoka which exist very much beyond our Solar System. Brahma is the Creator of all Bodies, from Demi-Gods to the smallest Bacteria. He is the creator of all planets within our Material Universe. Sanatana Dharma(Hindusim) teaches life beyond the Universe, So if i say Material Universe, i'm just refering to small portion of the entire creation which is manifested by God.

LORD BRAHMA.

Points to remember.

1. Brahma is a Deva(Demi-God) he lives to about 311Trillion Years, At this moment he is about 155Trillion Years Old. Brahma lives and dies like us but with a Longer life Span.

2. Brahma and Abraham are NOT the same.

3. Brahma and Brahmin is is different, Brahma being a Deva(Demi-God) and Brahmin means the Social order describing intellectual people like Advisers,Priest,teachers etc.

To be a Brahmin a person must posses these qualities :

Brahmin : Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, honesty, knowledge, wisdom and religiousness — these are the natural qualities by which the brāhmaṇas work. (Bhagavad Gita 18.42)

4. Brahma and Brahman is different. Brahman means the ulitmate reality which is formless in other words God in his formless aspect which pervades the entire cosmic manifestation.

 

[Theowne]

Brahmins aren't a separate religion.......and "One who has realised or attempts to realise Brahman." is saying Brahman, not Brahma. So I don't this theory that Brahmins somehow worship a different religion.....Hinduism is the same for everybody. When they say Brahmins attempt to realise Brahman they aren't referring to a single God who happens to sound similar to a Jewish name...They mean in general, to realize Brahman, which is the ultimate reality, not that specific aspect/manifestation which is "Brahma", the creator.

SO I don't get what you're saying, Brahmins worship an abhrahamic religion. The religion is the same for everybody......

Maybe if you wanted to talk about influences between religions, it would make sense.

 

[Kris_J]

I had posted similar thread long ago...if anyone want to go in detail , than go through...

All Roads lead to Hinduism ?

All Roads lead to ancient Hinduism ?

Hinduism's global influence​

There are certain striking similarities between the Hindu god Brahma and his consort Saraisvati, and the Jewish Abraham and Sarai, that are more than mere coincidences.


In Hindu mythology, Sarai-Svati is Brahm's wife. The bible gives two stories of Abraham. In this first version, Abraham told Pharaoh that he was lying when he introduced Sarai as his sister. In the second version, he also told the king of Gerar that Sarai was really his sister. However, when the king scolded him for lying, Abraham said that Sarai was in reality both his wife and his sister! "...and yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife." (Genesis 20:12.)


But the anomalies don't end here. In India, a tributary of the river Saraisvati is Ghaggar. Another tributary of the same river is Hakra. According to Jewish traditions, Hagar was Sarai's maidservant; the Moslems say she was an Egyptian princess. Notice the similarities of Ghaggar, Hakra and Hagar.

"...Ishmael breathed his last and died, and was gathered to his kin... They dwelt from Havilah (India), by Shur, which is close to Egypt, all the way to Asshur." (Genesis 25:17-18.)


It is an interesting fact that the names of Isaac and Ishmael are derive from Sanskrit: (Hebrew) Ishaak = (Sanskrit) Ishakhu = "Friend of Shiva." (Hebrew) Ishmael = (Sanskrit) Ish-Mahal = "Great Shiva."






This highly researched work by scholar, Gene D. Matlock, which is part of his complete manuscript showing the global influence of ancient India's culture and language....


About 1900 BC, the cult of Brahm was carried to the Middle and Near East by several different Indian groups after a severe rainfall and earthquake tore Northern India apart, even changing the courses of the Indus and Saraisvati rivers. The classical geographer Strabo tells us just how nearly complete the abandonment of Northwestern India was. "Aristobolus says that when he was sent upon a certain mission in India, he saw a country of more than a thousand cities, together with villages, that had been deserted because the Indus had abandoned its proper bed." (Strabo's Geography, XV.I.19.)


"The drying up of the Sarasvati around 1900 BCE, which led to a major relocation of the population centered around in the Sindhu and the Sarasvati valleys, could have been the event that caused a migration westward from India. It is soon after this time that the Indic element begins to appear all over West Asia, Egypt, and Greece." (Indic Ideas in the Graeco-Roman World, by Subhash Kak, taken from IndiaStar online literary magazine; p.14)



Judaism and Hinduism Share the Same Names for God.



Hinduism
Ish; Yish; Is; Isa; Issa; etc.
(Suffixes and prefixes for "God")
Jaudism
Ish; Yish; Is; Isa; Issa; etc.
(Suffixes and prefixes for "God")



Hinduism

Shiva; Shaiva; Siva (God)​

Jaudism

Yahve; Jahve; Tseeva (God)​

Hinduism

Lakhimi (Goddess of Prosperity); Lokhi; Lukh (Shiva (intellectual))​

Jaudism
Elohim; Elokhim (God intellectualized)



Hinduism

Saday; Sada (Shiva (God))
Jaudism
El Shaddai (The Almighty)​

Hinduism

Hakh e Kheda (God's Duty)​

Jaudism

Ha-Kadosh (The Holy One)​

Hinduism

Layun (Absorption in God)​

Jaudism

El Elyon (Possessor of Heaven and Earth)​

In the following list, all references to Indian tribes, castes, subcastes, and places will be listed at the left. Biblical and Hebrew names will be listed after each Indian word, accompanied by their biblical references. You will note that the comparative words are either identical or nearly identical. Even a non-linguist can notice that all these words sprang from the same source. The similarities are too abundant to be coincidental. Wanting to remain as conservative as possible, I present only a partial list. However, as conservative and brief as this list is, I believe I have presented enough examples to convince anyone that India did, indeed, at one time dominate in Bible Land.

Abri- Ibri (1 Chr. 24-27)
Amal - Amal (1 Chr. 7:35)
Asaul - Asahel (2 Chr. 17:18)
Asheriya - Asher (Gen. 30:13)
Azri - Azriel (! Chr. 5:24)
Bal. - Baal (1 Chr. 5:5)
Bala; Balah - Bala (Josh. 19:3)
Bakru - Bokheru (1 Chr. 7:6)
Baktu - Baca (1 Chr. 8:38)
Banniya - Baana (1 Chr. 11:30)
Bellu - Bela (Gen. 14:9)
Bera; Baru - Beerah (1 (Chr. 5:6)
Basaya - Basseiah (1 Chr. 6:40)
Beroth - Beeroth (2 Sam. 4:2)
Bilgai - Bilgah (Neh. 12:5)
Buhana - Bohan (Josh. 15:6)
Buir - Beor (Ps. 23:4)
Butt - Bath (1 Ki. 7:26)
Caleb; Kleb - Caleb (1 Chr. 2:18)
Dar; Dhar; Darku - Dor (1 Ki. 4:11)
Dara - Dara (1 Chr. 2:6)
Dum - Dumah (1 Chr. 1:30)
Gabba - Geba (Josh. 18:24)
Gaddar - Gedor (1 Chr. 4:4)
Gadha - Gad (1 Chr. 2:2)
Gaddi - Gaddi (Nu. 13:11)v Gani; Gani - Guni (1 Chr. 1:40)
Gareb - Gareb (1 Chr. 7:13)
Gomer - Gomer (Gen. 10:2)
Hahput - Hatipha (Neh. 7:56)v Iqqash - Ikkesh (1 Chr. 11:28)
Ishai - Ishui (1 Sam. 14:49)
Israel - Israel (Gen. 32:28)
Kahan Masu - Kahana; Kan, Kanah (Josh. 19:28)
Kalkul - Calcol (1 Chr. 2:6)
Kanaz - Kenaz (Ju. 3:9)
Kar - Careah (2 Ki. 25:23)
Karrah - Korah (Nu. 26:9)
Kaul - Caul (Isa. 3:18)
Kadu; Kaddua; Khadu - Cauda (Act. 27:16)
Kotru - Keturah (Gen. 25:4)
Laddu - Lud (1 Chr. 1:17)
Lavi; Laveh - Levi (1Chr. 2:1)
Magar - Magor (Jer. 22:3)
Mahlu - Mahali (Ex. 6:19)
Maikri - Machir (Josh. 17:1)
Malla; Maula - Maaleh (Josh. 15:3)
Mallak - Mallouck (1 Chr. 6:44)
Matri - Matri (1 Sam. 10:21)
Meresh - Meres (Esther 1:14)
Mir - Mearah (Josh. 13:4)
Mahsa; Mahsi - Massah (Ex. 17:7)
Moza - Moza (1 Chr. 7:36)
Musa - Moses
Nehru - Nahor (1 Chr. 1:26)
Opal; Upal - Ophel (2 Chr. 28:3)
Pareh - Paruah (1 Ki. 4:17)
Phalu; Pau - Phallu; Puah; Pua (Nu. 26:23)
Poot; Put - Phut; Put (a Chr. 1:8)
Raina - Rinnah (1 Chr. 4:20)
Raphu - Raphu (1 Ki. 11:23)
Reshu; Resh; Reshi - Rhesa (Luke 3:27)
Reu; Reu-wal - Reu (Gen. 12:18)
Reual - Reuel (Nu. 2:14)
Sachu - Sechu (1 Sam. 19:22)
Sam - Shem (Gen. 5:32)
Sapru; Sapra - Saphir (Mic. 1:11)
Seh - Siah (Neh. 7:47)
Shahmiri - Shamir (1 Chr. 24:24)
Shaul - Shaul (1 Chr. 4:24)
Shavi - Shaveh (Gen. 14:17)
Shora - Sherah (1 Chr. 7:2)
Shuah - Shuah (1 Chr. 4:11)








(from site)
"I beg my reader to look at the ruins of the ancient cities of India: Agra, Delhi, Oude, Mundore, etc., which have many of them been much larger than London, the last for instance, 37 miles in circumference, built in the oldest style of architecture in the world, the Cyclopean, and I think he must at once see the absurdity of the little Jewish mountain tribe (the "Lost Tribes") being the founders of such a mass of cities. We must also consider that we have almost all the places of India in Western Syria...I think no one can help seeing that these circumstances are to be accounted for in no other way than by the supposition that there was in very ancient times one universal superstition, which was carried all over the world by emigrating tribes, and that they were originally from Upper India." (Vol. I; p. 432.)​

The similarity of these Indian and Hebrew names certainly traumatized European colonists. Unwilling to admit that the Jews had never sprouted spontaneously in the Arabian desert, or were from outer space as I read recently, but were from the East as the bible itself tells us, they merely erased these matters from their minds or convinced themselves that they were "coincidences," even though the "coincidences" numbered in the thousands and were peppered over every region in India.

Finally someone understands what I was getting at!
Thanks!

That is what I was interested in - whether there is any potential connection between very similar names & stories.

I'll be reading looking into the rest of that thread.

 

[polygone]

Yes, and when I posted "Yo Ha Vai", ps139 and the other Christians rejected it... Now you see where I was getting at as well .

 

[Theowne]

Well if you support Rahul's post I suppose I know what you mean know. From your posts I thought you believed Brahmins specifically worship Brahma who you believe is similar to another religion's names and therefore Brahmins separately have some sort of influence from Abhrahamic religion.....

 

[rahul_sharma]

Finally someone understands what I was getting at!
Thanks!

That is what I was interested in - whether there is any potential connection between very similar names & stories.

I'll be reading looking into the rest of that thread.

Thank you

Thanks again for soo many blessings and pvt message.