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Bouncing between Mr. Atheist and Girl Defined over Raunch Culture!
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<blockquote data-quote="2PhiloVoid" data-source="post: 74317185" data-attributes="member: 167101"><p><span style="color: #b30000"><strong>[edited for clarity] </strong></span>Yes, that is more or less what I have in mind when I say 'purity culture,' which from what I gather is somewhat different than what has been passed off as such in some overly exuberant churches. And your analogy with Corinth is apt. In fact, I find it amazing how similar we today in the U.S. are in various respects to the Corinthians. I've actually thought we should change the titles of these two related letters from Paul to 1st and 2nd Americans.</p><p></p><p> If it's any consolation, my primary thrust is on male concupiscence (yes, that is a pun!) and the male driven commercial sex industry that culls out and attracts financially starved women. It's just that some attention (correction?) is to be applied to women because, well, let's face it, they are the fairer sex and some of them are being excessively complicit in the various male-driven sex industries. And it only takes one Playmate to hook a bunch of male kids ... for life.</p><p></p><p>Yes, large swaths of the Christian world are "out to lunch" and haven't yet even really addressed the presence in our culture of the male Double - Standard.</p><p></p><p> This is probably the one point on which I will somewhat differ with you. I think the idea of waiting for marriage is beneficial, but only for Christians. I mean....hey...I'm not expecting this Pauline type purity culture thing to be mandated by law, especially not across the board. What I don't want to hear, however, is the voice of non-Christians shouting down Christians who do think it is the wisest choice. On the other hand, I would socially advocate for Christians to become much, much better educated about sexual matters and various issues about physical and relational compatibility.</p><p></p><p>On the issue of "mistakes," I'm not harping. Virginity before marriage is something Christians should strive for but not preach to the world to conform to. And I think you're quite right in saying that what should be promoted is a cultural value on acknowledging mistakes as mistakes and how to handle them in wise and helpful ways, part of which should provide 'the church' with opportunities for service and restoration <em>rather than</em> platforms for unnecessary political reform parading as agendas pertaining to moral control in society.</p><p></p><p> At the least, I mean by raunchiness what Ariel Levy means by it, and as you may know, she is a non-christian, Jewish, Lesbian feminist. So, if I can agree with at least her definition, I feel I'm on to something.</p><p></p><p> uh.....but Madonna is a harlot! Oh...oh, wait a minute, you mean the other Madonna, don't you? <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/old/oops.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":sorry:" title="sorry :sorry:" data-shortname=":sorry:" /></p><p></p><p>But seriously, the Bible does judge women who persist in a particular lifestyle or immoral attitude just as surely as it does men (who it may identify as 'harlot-mongers'.......ew!) And yes, yes, I know all of this is troublesome emotionally these days, but it is for most of us. We all have to pull the immorality 'out' of us if we want to be Christian. I don't expect non-Christians to be able to do that very well, if at all.</p><p></p><p> Oh, I just define all of THAT STUFF as standard, required Ethical education for everyone. So, yeah, all of that should be out in the open to scare off any perps who think abuse and physical force are somehow 'meet' for social interaction.</p><p></p><p> If we count the thinking of persons like Ariel Levy, then yes, I suppose so. But I'm not seeing it take hold on a wide scale yet, unless you're somehow counting the #me2 movement. You may have to enlighten me further on what way you're seeing this 'progressive creeping' which you're talking about.</p><p></p><p> Found one. Mr. Atheist seems to eschew the idea that having to go to the Bible to support a notion about sexual propriety means the notion itself should be seen as questionable [between minute 6 and 7]? NOT! What's questionable is 'how' people apply hermeneutics to their understanding about social principles seen in the Bible, not whether or not they go to the bible for social principles. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite4" alt=":mad:" title="Mad :mad:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":mad:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="2PhiloVoid, post: 74317185, member: 167101"] [COLOR=#b30000][B][edited for clarity] [/B][/COLOR]Yes, that is more or less what I have in mind when I say 'purity culture,' which from what I gather is somewhat different than what has been passed off as such in some overly exuberant churches. And your analogy with Corinth is apt. In fact, I find it amazing how similar we today in the U.S. are in various respects to the Corinthians. I've actually thought we should change the titles of these two related letters from Paul to 1st and 2nd Americans. If it's any consolation, my primary thrust is on male concupiscence (yes, that is a pun!) and the male driven commercial sex industry that culls out and attracts financially starved women. It's just that some attention (correction?) is to be applied to women because, well, let's face it, they are the fairer sex and some of them are being excessively complicit in the various male-driven sex industries. And it only takes one Playmate to hook a bunch of male kids ... for life. Yes, large swaths of the Christian world are "out to lunch" and haven't yet even really addressed the presence in our culture of the male Double - Standard. This is probably the one point on which I will somewhat differ with you. I think the idea of waiting for marriage is beneficial, but only for Christians. I mean....hey...I'm not expecting this Pauline type purity culture thing to be mandated by law, especially not across the board. What I don't want to hear, however, is the voice of non-Christians shouting down Christians who do think it is the wisest choice. On the other hand, I would socially advocate for Christians to become much, much better educated about sexual matters and various issues about physical and relational compatibility. On the issue of "mistakes," I'm not harping. Virginity before marriage is something Christians should strive for but not preach to the world to conform to. And I think you're quite right in saying that what should be promoted is a cultural value on acknowledging mistakes as mistakes and how to handle them in wise and helpful ways, part of which should provide 'the church' with opportunities for service and restoration [I]rather than[/I] platforms for unnecessary political reform parading as agendas pertaining to moral control in society. At the least, I mean by raunchiness what Ariel Levy means by it, and as you may know, she is a non-christian, Jewish, Lesbian feminist. So, if I can agree with at least her definition, I feel I'm on to something. uh.....but Madonna is a harlot! Oh...oh, wait a minute, you mean the other Madonna, don't you? :sorry: But seriously, the Bible does judge women who persist in a particular lifestyle or immoral attitude just as surely as it does men (who it may identify as 'harlot-mongers'.......ew!) And yes, yes, I know all of this is troublesome emotionally these days, but it is for most of us. We all have to pull the immorality 'out' of us if we want to be Christian. I don't expect non-Christians to be able to do that very well, if at all. Oh, I just define all of THAT STUFF as standard, required Ethical education for everyone. So, yeah, all of that should be out in the open to scare off any perps who think abuse and physical force are somehow 'meet' for social interaction. If we count the thinking of persons like Ariel Levy, then yes, I suppose so. But I'm not seeing it take hold on a wide scale yet, unless you're somehow counting the #me2 movement. You may have to enlighten me further on what way you're seeing this 'progressive creeping' which you're talking about. Found one. Mr. Atheist seems to eschew the idea that having to go to the Bible to support a notion about sexual propriety means the notion itself should be seen as questionable [between minute 6 and 7]? NOT! What's questionable is 'how' people apply hermeneutics to their understanding about social principles seen in the Bible, not whether or not they go to the bible for social principles. :mad: [/QUOTE]
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