Bottleneck Theory vs The Flood vs The Tribe of Benjamin

Radrook · Mar 25, 2017

JD16 said:
With God in the mix, what is not possible? Therefore anything goes...

There are certain restrictions on things which the Christian God can be imagined as doing. Those restrictions are biblically based. There are also restrictions based on what we observe concerning the universe including ourselves. For example, we cannot say that God can square a circle under the strict rules of math. So whatever is being claimed has to be measured against certain criteria.

JD16 · Mar 25, 2017

Radrook said:
There are certain restrictions on things which the Christian God can be imagined as doing. Those restrictions are biblically based. There are also restrictions based on what we observe concerning the universe including ourselves. For example, we cannot say that God can square a circle under the strict rules of math. So whatever is being claimed has to be measured against certain criteria.

I understand that a logical impossibility is by definition not possible, but other then that, the Goddidit answer can be used for most question, and tbh, I find that unsatisfactory as it only leads to more questions and solves nothing

Radrook · Mar 25, 2017

JD16 said:
I understand that a logical impossibility is by definition not possible, but other then that, the Goddidit answer can be used for most question, and tbh, I find that unsatisfactory as it only leads to more questions and solves nothing

The God did it explanation is provided based on logical inferences and not simply as a glib response as you are indicating.

AV1611VET · Mar 25, 2017

JD16 said:
I understand that a logical impossibility is by definition not possible, but other then that, the Goddidit answer can be used for most question, and tbh, I find that unsatisfactory as it only leads to more questions and solves nothing

It depends on the question.

JD16 · Mar 25, 2017

Radrook said:
The God did it explanation is provided based on logical inferences and not simply as a glib response as you are indicating.

Then as I said, it lead to more questions, how did God did it? Where did God come from? if we assert that God had no creator, how do we know that? Could it be Another 'bigger' God that made our universe? Why? And the granddaddy of all which God or Gods? How do we decide? You get the picture?

W2L · Mar 25, 2017

CrystalDragon said:
That was said in 2 Peter, which is suspected to have been written after Peter's life. If I recall correctly, that book says that all the fathers of the church have died, which would include the original Peter. That writer might have pretended to be Peter, it also had the name Peter, but wasn't the Peter we know of.

So your answer is to throw out 2 Peter? Also, im not familiar with any scripture that says all the apostles have died. Perhaps you could post it for me.

W2L · Mar 25, 2017

Leave it to the Catholics to boast about how their church gave us the canon, but then discredit their own discernment in putting the book together.

AV1611VET · Mar 25, 2017

JD16 said:
And the granddaddy of all which God or Gods?

JD, a man once caught a Leprechaun and wouldn't let him go until he promised to reveal where his pot of gold was.

The Leprechaun led the man into a forest, to a tree, and pointed to the ground at the foot of said tree.

The man tied a yellow ribbon around the tree, made the Leprechaun promise he wouldn't touch it, then went to his truck to get a shovel.

To his horror, when he returned, the Leprechaun had tied a yellow ribbon around every tree in the forest.

We call that diabolical mimicry.

JD16 said:
How do we decide?

Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

JD16 · Mar 25, 2017

AV1611VET said:
JD, a man once caught a Leprechaun and wouldn't let him go until he promised to reveal where his pot of gold was.

The Leprechaun led the man into a forest, to a tree, and pointed to the ground at the foot of said tree.

The man tied a yellow ribbon around the tree, made the Leprechaun promise he wouldn't touch it, then went to his truck to get a shovel.

To his horror, when he returned, the Leprechaun had tied a yellow ribbon around every tree in the forest.

We call that diabolical mimicry.Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

As a believer, you are of course inclined to believe in your holy scriptures, but as you know there are many different religions with their own revered scriptures, you all can't be right, and of course you all can be wrong. I know that JC is central to your religion, therefor its a given that you believe in him, to the hindus, they have plenty to choose from and they believe no less than you do that they are right with their chosen God or Gods. Who can say who is right or wrong? You get my drift?

Skreeper · Mar 25, 2017

-57 said:
I already told you why...there is a requirement for a self existing being that always was and never wasn't...if there is anything today. Considering you can't self create from nothing.

How do you know that there was "nothing" before the Big Bang? And what is this nothing exactly?
Also, what is a self existing being? Can you demonstrate that something like that can actually exist?

AV1611VET · Mar 25, 2017

JD16 said:
I know that JC is central to your religion, therefor its a given that you believe in him, to the hindus, they have plenty to choose from and they believe no less than you do that they are right with their chosen God or Gods. Who can say who is right or wrong? You get my drift?

So your 'granddaddy of all' question is nothing more than a rhetorical question?

If so, I've seen you ask it several times here.

Why?

JD16 · Mar 25, 2017

AV1611VET said:
So your 'granddaddy of all' question is nothing more than a rhetorical question?

If so, I've seen you ask it several times here.

Why?

I'm asking, what makes your scripture 'special' compared to others, that is what I would like to find out,...if possible, that's why I'm asking

-57 · Mar 25, 2017

Skreeper said:
How do you know that there was "nothing" before the Big Bang? And what is this nothing exactly?
Also, what is a self existing being? Can you demonstrate that something like that can actually exist?

For starters, the BB never happened....so I'll have to answer like this, It's what many BB'ers teach.

As to self existing...I already demonstrated that something like that always existed. Remember you can't self create (for the lack of a better term) out of "space" containing absolutly nothing. Void of all.

AV1611VET · Mar 25, 2017

JD16 said:
I'm asking, what makes your scripture 'special' compared to others, that is what I would like to find out,...if possible, that's why I'm asking

It's written (and upheld) in blood.

-57 · Mar 25, 2017

JD16 said:
I'm asking, what makes your scripture 'special' compared to others, that is what I would like to find out,...if possible, that's why I'm asking

I've already exposed you to Isaiah 53.
But, I'll be waiting for AV1611VET reply.

JD16 · Mar 25, 2017

AV1611VET said:
It's written (and upheld) in blood.

I understand that is what you believe, but as I mentioned many times, believers of other religions have their reasons to believe that they are right, this is not the only forum that I visit, I've been on many, and so far, non has been convincing to me

JD16 · Mar 25, 2017

-57 said:
I've already exposed you to Isaiah 53.
But, I'll be waiting for AV1611VET reply.

And I've replied, see my answer above

AV1611VET · Mar 25, 2017

-57 said:
For starters, the BB never happened....so I'll have to answer like this, It's what many BB'ers teach.

If scientists are looking for a big bang, God is going to give them one they'll remember for all eternity.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Notice it occurs at the end of time, not the beginning?

Scientists, as usual, are looking in the wrong direction.

Skreeper · Mar 25, 2017

-57 said:
For starters, the BB never happened....so I'll have to answer like this, It's what many BB'ers teach.

The BB happened, sorry to burst your bubble. And I have never heard of any scientist that claims that prior to the BB there was a "void of all" because we don't even know that that is even a coherent concept.

-57 said:
Remember you can't self create (for the lack of a better term) out of "space" containing absolutly nothing. Void of all.

Please demonstrate that there ever was a state of nothing (void of all). And the phrase "containing absolutely nothing" makes no logical sense.

Speedwell · Mar 25, 2017

-57 said:
For starters, the BB never happened....so I'll have to answer like this, It's what many BB'ers teach.

As to self existing...I already demonstrated that something like that always existed. Remember you can't self create (for the lack of a better term) out of "space" containing absolutly nothing. Void of all.

"Space" is not nothing.

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