Border Patrol calls for help, Chicago PD does not respond

BPPLEE said:

I’m not going to defend what Trump said, it’s indefensible but it doesn’t change the fact that people are being deported because they’re here illegally...

Click to expand...

...and apparently poisoning the blood of your country. Hey, you'd think that the fact that they are here illegally could be justification in itself for proposing that some of them are deported. You really don't need any more justification than that. And I mean you personally. So who does? Who are those people that Trump is talking to when he uses language like that? Why does he think they need such comments?

You have to know that it doesn't reflect well on the US when there's someone in the WH using language like that. The rest of the world is like 'What? He said what?'

It's indefensible. And it's not a one off either, is it. It's par for the course.

BPPLEE said:

I’m not here to defend everything Trump says, that’s a fool’s errand

Click to expand...

What Trump is saying is intimately related to what he’s doing. He’s expressing an idea we’ve heard before and not from a good source and when you combine that with what his administration is doing to people it starts to paint a very ugly picture. When you combine that with what others like Stephen Miller have expressed and when people see ICE agents acting with impunity and being accountable to no one and the underhanded tactics they’re using the picture really starts to look bad.


The worst part though, isn’t that we have a government doing these things. No. The worst part to me, is all the millions of Americans going along with it or providing cover and hand waving away any concerns like we see in this thread.

BPPLEE said:

Act on what?

Click to expand...

Demonising immigrants.

BPPLEE said:

I’m not defending that quote I’m saying you and @GoldenBoy89 are making light of what happened ito the Jews by comparing it to being deported

Click to expand...

Before they were gassed, they were also imprisoned by separating families and causing chaos for children.

Maybe you are also making light of what is happenning to some of these immigrant children.

BPPLEE said:

I’m not here to defend everything Trump says, that’s a fool’s errand

Click to expand...

I don't expect you to defend it. I'm pretty certain that you think that what he says is atrocious as I think it is.

BPPLEE said:

This thread is about one law enforcement agency failing to help another one, what we’ve seen is providing cover for it, hand waving and justifying it

Click to expand...

Sure this thread is about one specific incident but the larger story around these deportations and more importantly, how ICE are conducting these operations has been brewing for several months now. You’ll notice early in this term there wasn’t quite as much pushback against ICE arrests as we’re seeing now after millions have witnessed for themselves what these agents are doing to people and how they’re going about it. This is a terror campaign where cruelty is the whole point and people aren’t taking it anymore.

Richard T said:

So the home was owned by an alleged human smuggler. So little less scrutiny. Might be wise to do some surveillance to see if he is there. In this case the couple renting it had only arrived two weeks ago. Still, the roughness they encountered was uncalled for. The point is that ICE and Trump are over-reaching and causing harm to US citizens. It might make good news for some but most are turned off from this. I despise all government overreach.

Click to expand...

There is a LOT of misunderstanding of the law and procedures by citizens including the press. I suspect sometimes, especially with the press, rhat they KNOW the laws, but are so anti-LE and anti-Trump they are trying to stir up trouble.

In this case LE had a legal warrant, based upon probable cause that stuff was going on at the residence. Including utility bills and surveillance.

When serving such a warrant with the people involved they arent going ro knock on the door ask ask pretty please. And they shouldn't. That's got to be the stupidest thing of them to do. Thwy are going ro go in and take down whomever is in there and sort it out.

Its too bad the bad guys left. But the agents had NO reason to believe that the illegal activities there had ended. Bad guys have kids too. You know how many drug houses have kids there?

US citizens can be bad guys too, involved in trafficking or whatever. Everyone is so hyper sensitive right now, especially those on the left. Give it a rest. They had no idea that things had switched and no idea if whomever was there was not involved with the bad guys. And when you take down a house like this you don't as tye bad guys to put their own handcuffs on.

GoldenBoy89 said:

lol. I gotta say I’m not exactly hating this law enforcement on law enforcement infighting. Really makes you wonder where ICE went so wrong they don’t even have the support of their fellow LEOs.

Click to expand...

LEO wanted to go. It was orders from their mayor who controls rhe chief of police eho didnt want them to help...

rambot said:

Before they were gassed, they were also imprisoned by separating families and causing chaos for children.

Maybe you are also making light of what is happenning to some of these immigrant children.

Click to expand...

Yeah, I agree, rhe children should be with the parents, even if the pare is are in holding cells. Then they can all be deported together. That would be the best thing.

rjs330 said:

There is a LOT of misunderstanding of the law and procedures by citizens including the press. I suspect sometimes, especially with the press, rhat they KNOW the laws, but are so anti-LE and anti-Trump they are trying to stir up trouble.

In this case LE had a legal warrant, based upon probable cause that stuff was going on at the residence. Including utility bills and surveillance.

When serving such a warrant with the people involved they arent going ro knock on the door ask ask pretty please. And they shouldn't. That's got to be the stupidest thing of them to do. Thwy are going ro go in and take down whomever is in there and sort it out.

Its too bad the bad guys left. But the agents had NO reason to believe that the illegal activities there had ended. Bad guys have kids too. You know how many drug houses have kids there?

US citizens can be bad guys too, involved in trafficking or whatever. Everyone is so hyper sensitive right now, especially those on the left. Give it a rest. They had no idea that things had switched and no idea if whomever was there was not involved with the bad guys. And when you take down a house like this you don't as tye bad guys to put their own handcuffs on.

Click to expand...

Yes, thanks for bringing the context of the case. I am all good with the no-knock warrant if they have demonstrated why they need it as required. "To get a federal no-knock warrant, officers must establish probable cause, provide sworn testimony to a judge detailing why a no-knock entry is necessary (e.g., to prevent destruction of evidence or for officer safety), and obtain the judge's approval to bypass the standard knock-and-announce rule. The judge ensures the probable cause and reasonable suspicion for the no-knock entry are sufficiently established through an oath or affirmation from the complainant and witnesses."

BPPLEE said:

When the state and local government give sanctuary status to illegal immigrants and instruct law enforcement not to cooperate with federal authorities it makes it kind of difficult to work with them

Click to expand...

The federal government faces notable difficulties in enforcing laws when local and state governments express opposition. Throughout American history, citizens have maintained diverse perspectives on governance. Nevertheless, for nearly 249 years, there has generally been cooperation among federal, state, and local authorities. In instances of conflict, the federal government often seeks to encourage alignment through persuasion.

Historically, the deployment of the National Guard against the wishes of a governor has been relatively rare, with only two presidents—Eisenhower in 1957 and Kennedy in 1962—taking such action within the first 249 years of the nation's history. In contrast, President Trump has authorized the deployment in three states within the past ten months.

The question of presidential authority to deploy the National Guard contrary to a governor’s wishes remains unresolved, as several courts have challenged President Trump’s actions. A definitive judgment on this matter awaits a ruling from the Supreme Court.

Regardless of legal authority, it is worth considering whether a nation should routinely allow federal power to supersede local government and enforce laws irrespective of local sentiment. While such measures may currently enjoy support, opinions could shift if future administrations pursue similar strategies without local consensus.

You can argue that the federal government is only enforcing laws because of local government actions. However, once the federal government exceeds its power, this practice will likely continue beyond President Trump's term. If that's the country you want, remember, future presidents—liberal or conservative—may use these precedents to justify similar actions.

I definitely wouldn't want to live in a country like that. Even with its flaws, I prefer America's system over the past 249 years, where federal and local governments have cooperated and resolved disagreements through the courts.

However, I recognize that my perspective is not widely shared. It has become increasingly clear that both conservative and liberal groups, upon attaining power, seek to impose their way of life on others. Consequently, we may need to prepare for significant challenges ahead.