Bnei Noach?

[Ahriman]

are Bnei Noach and messianic gentiles the same... can I be both?...just trying to find my place in life thanks in advance (p.s another question as well i'm not jewish however i do follow Torah and i believe in Yeshua but i'm not a "christian" either would it be an offense to MJ'ers if I changed my icon to the MJ symbol?

 

[Henaynei]

are Bnei Noach and messianic gentiles the same... can I be both?...just trying to find my place in life thanks in advance (p.s another question as well i'm not jewish however i do follow Torah and i believe in Yeshua but i'm not a "christian" either would it be an offense to MJ'ers if I changed my icon to the MJ symbol?

The B'nei Noakh, by and large, do not believe Yeshua is Messiah nor do they keep Torah. They keep only the "laws given to all gentiles through Noakh." Messianic Gentiles, by and large, DO believe Yeshua is HaShem and Messiah, and attempt, to a greater or lesser degree, to keep Torah.

According to your description you qualify as MJ - most MJs are not born Jewish. The majority of us are gentiles who seek to serve Yeshua HaMoshiakh in a way that incorporates obeying the Torah He gave at Sinai.

You might need to qualify what you mean by "not a christian either" just to be sure all the "ducks are in a row."

 

[Amandine]

are Bnei Noach and messianic gentiles the same... can I be both?...just trying to find my place in life thanks in advance (p.s another question as well i'm not jewish however i do follow Torah and i believe in Yeshua but i'm not a "christian" either would it be an offense to MJ'ers if I changed my icon to the MJ symbol?

No, they are not. Noahides follow in the heels of Judaism which is very insistant that the Messiah has not yet come. Many have concided that Noahidism is not compatable with mainstream Christianity (plus Messianics) because of the insistance on a mediator for our sins (there are better explanations, but I'm not sure how much you wanted to know) and other main doctrines. Rabbis also suggest that Gentiles focus on following the 7 laws of Noah fairly well before delving into other aspects of the Torah.
-Catherine

 

[visionary]

Since your interest in MJ's is genuine, may I ask? What things you find in common with MJ's that makes you feel more at home here?

My asking this will help us see where we are similar in understanding, in belief, in knwledge, and in faith. If you would be so kind to talk to us about where you come from spiritually, where you are heading and in your sojourning with the Lord what spiritaul gems have you collected and treasure. Would you be so kind as to share your spiritual walk with us? It is always a blessing to learn what you have come to know and believe. It will be so that we will not take offensive, so that we can be more understanding, and so that we may share with you in a way that we both can benefit from the communion.

As a prodical son, we would love to welcome you home.
Visionary

 

[Ahriman]

well let's see if i can explain this, not offend and make sense at the same time I was pretty much raised in a pentecostal christian home and while i thank G-d thank my parents raised me in the knowledge of the L-rd i have this problem with the way Yeshua is often portrayed and accepted by both nonbelievers and the "christian" alike which in my opinion is often contrary to the way he is written about in the Scripture...for example the way early believers lived and thought is different from this established religion of today called "Christianity which has little to do with it's true Judaic roots. I always felt like i was on track yet iwas missing something you know?how can you know where your going and who you "are" if don't know where your coming from. Being a seeker of knowledge and truth i studied a few religions but i was always drawn back to Judaism, however my problem was how could i study Judaism (which I've always held as the One True religion) yet still retain my faith in Yeshua? I was baptised with Ruach a few years ago and I feel that "he/she?" has led to me 2 this site, in particular MJ which has been a great blessing,i feel as if i've finally found a home of sorts and want to thank all of you who have given me knowledge ,wisdom and direction i'm still learnign and growing in faith...Anyways there's a whole lot more but i have to get back to work now we''ll talk more later hopefully and once again many blessings...Shalom!!!

 

[adriel]

The Noachic guys are trying to bring the world into submission to the 'Noahic laws', be warned this is not 'orthodox christianity'. For we ar no longer under law but grace.
Much of the problem here is in the use of labels to describe a set of doctrinal beliefs, essentialy the N/T church had no label till the world stuck one on it 'Christ'-ians!
If your understnading of scripture is orthodox, and you believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as per the scripturtes (old and new) then there is no difference between a Messianic Jew's and a Gentile Christians.
For the two have become one in Christ Jesus, there is neither Jew nort Gentile. Period!
Call your self what you want if it helps, what counts is what you believe about Jesus, Yeshua, Y'shua, Yeoshua, Iesus what ever language you chosse to use.
Remeber as long as Judaism (that is those who follow it) ignore Yeshua/Jesus and the testimony of the N/T they are apostate and allienated from the commonwealth of God, no matter how many law they follow. If you brake one commandment you are guilt of braking all, and the wages of sin are death.

shalom

 

[Henaynei]

The Noachic guys are trying to bring the world into submission to the 'Noahic laws', be warned this is not 'orthodox christianity'. For we ar no longer under law but grace.
Much of the problem here is in the use of labels to describe a set of doctrinal beliefs, essentialy the N/T church had no label till the world stuck one on it 'Christ'-ians!
If your understanding of scripture is orthodox, and you believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as per the scripturtes (old and new) then there is no difference between a Messianic Jew's and a Gentile Christians.
For the two have become one in Christ Jesus, there is neither Jew nor Gentile. Period!
Call your self what you want if it helps, what counts is what you believe about Jesus, Yeshua, Y'shua, Yeoshua, Iesus what ever language you chosse to use.
Remeber as long as Judaism (that is those who follow it) ignore Yeshua/Jesus and the testimony of the N/T they are apostate and allienated from the commonwealth of God, no matter how many laws they follow. If you break one commandment you are guilt of breaking all, and the wages of sin are death.

shalom

I both agree and strongly disagree with you - what's new? this IS a Jewish forum - LOL

Agree: "there is no difference between a Messianic Jew's and a Gentile Christians" - there is only one way of salvation, grace through faith in Yeshua
And from THAT POV there is no Jew or Greek, male or female, slave or free - all have equal footing before the Throne of Grace.

Disagree: "there is no difference between a Messianic Jew's and a Gentile Christians" "there is neither Jew nor Gentile. Period!"
Galatians 3:28
there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor freeman, neither male nor female; for in union with the Messiah Yeshua, you are all one.

IF there is neither Jew nor Gentile "Period" - then there is also neither male nor female "Period."

"If your understanding of scripture is orthodox, and you believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as per the scripturtes (old and new)" then you know and realize that with G-d and according to scripture, while "there is no difference between" men and women in their standing for salvation, still G-d has given them each very different roles in the Body. So, too it is equally so with Jews and Gentiles.

Romanim 3:1-4
1 Then what advantage has the Jew? What is the value of being circumcised? 2 Much in every way! In the first place, the Jews were entrusted with the very words of G-d. . 3 If some of them were unfaithful, so what? Does their faithlessness cancel God's faithfulness? 4 Heaven forbid! G-d would be true even if everyone were a liar!

A Jew who accepts that Yeshua is Jewish Messiah and HaShem does not become a Christian. He remains a Jew in every way. As He should for G-d has so called him and placed him and uses him.

There is ONE door to salvation, there are at least TWO cultures of worship. The Jewish one and the historically hellenistic gentile one. Partners, brothers of the same Father - but not the same.

Agree: all who reject Yeshua are in need of salvation.

Disagree: that Jews without Yeshua are more apostate than others without Yeshua (for the tone of your post *seems* to imply such.

Agree: one can not earn their way to righteousness

Disagree: that keeping the Law out of love and obedience is dooming one to death, apostacy and alienation from HaShem.

You say labels mean nothing, yet *you* have chosen the Messianic Judaism label. Please tell us why? You must have some reason to chose this label over others........


b'Shalom
Henaynei