Blood money

[peace4ever]

I attended a First Choice banquet a few months ago where the speaker was an ex-abortion clinic owner who had owned 4 abortion clinics in Texas before she got saved. Her speech was an eye-opener.

She related that the goal of each of her employees at all the clinics was to become as rich as they could. So they scheduled abortions every 10 minutes so that the doctors could go right from one room to another. Their "marketing strategy" was to target all the junior high and high schools to convince young pregnant teen-age girls that their best option was an abortion. So they did. They went around with brochures, pulled girls out of class and encouraged them to come to their clinic.

When the girls got to the clinic, everyone had an ultrasound, even those who were sure they were pregnant because the clinic could charge a fee. But the girls who were found not to be pregnant by an ultra-sound were told they were pregnant and the doctors went ahead and removed a part of the lining of the uterus and told the women it was a fetus so they could take their money!!Hence the term "abortion industry" because it's a money-making organization that profits off the blood of helpless infants and the deceit of fraud. It's scary to think of how many other abortion clinic owners are doing the same thing.

Another case in point was in Fargo, ND, right next to where I live. Several pro-life friends of mine who occasionally pass out brochures in front of the abortion clinic (and many times were successful in influencing women to change their minds and not have an abortion) were arrested and prosecuted for taking business away from the owner of the abortion clinic, Jane Bovard. The abortion clinic won!

By that reasoning, then anyone who counsels a women to not have an abortion can be considered to be taking business away from abortion clinics. That's how sick our society has become and is proud of it.

So the German people can't light a candle to us because there isn't one shred of guilt in the majority of the American public. When people's consciences become this blunted, then people are capable of any atrocity.

But there was some poetic justice in all this, my friend who was convicted of taking business away from the abortion clinic worked at the VA hospital which is a federal institution and thus, her wages could not be garnished. So Jane Bovard didn't get one cent of her money. Nevertheless, my friend now has a record.

 

[lux et lex]

Another case in point was in Fargo, ND, right next to where I live. Several pro-life friends of mine who occasionally pass out brochures in front of the abortion clinic (and many times were successful in influencing women to change their minds and not have an abortion) were arrested and prosecuted for taking business away from the owner of the abortion clinic, Jane Bovard. The abortion clinic won!

By that reasoning, then anyone who counsels a women to not have an abortion can be considered to be taking business away from abortion clinics. That's how sick our society has become and is proud of it.

So the German people can't light a candle to us because there isn't one shred of guilt in the majority of the American public. When people's consciences become this blunted, then people are capable of any atrocity.

But there was some poetic justice in all this, my friend who was convicted of taking business away from the abortion clinic worked at the VA hospital which is a federal institution and thus, her wages could not be garnished. So Jane Bovard didn't get one cent of her money. Nevertheless, my friend now has a record.

I am from North Dakota. I work as an escort outside the clinic to keep the likes of your friends away from patients entering the clinic. You call it counseling, I call it harassment. Have you been out there and heard some of the things they yell? You'd be embarrassed. Anyway...unless you provide a case name for the one you are mentioning, you are painting a huge skew on what actually happened, if it's the case I think it was. Fargo Women's Health Organization v. Lambs of Christ, 502 N.W.2d 536 (N.D. 1993) was due to the harassment and other tortious acts being committed by the protesters.

 

[NDNgirl4ever]

I am from North Dakota. I work as an escort outside the clinic to keep the likes of your friends away from patients entering the clinic.

To the OP: I have news. The majority of doctors, not just gynecologists, are in medicine to make money. Gynecologists who perform abortions are no different than the majority doctors in any other specialty. If they were doing something medically wrong, then they should be investigated, but you can't judge all doctors or clinics by what this woman said.

 

[peace4ever]

I am from North Dakota. I work as an escort outside the clinic to keep the likes of your friends away from patients entering the clinic. You call it counseling, I call it harassment. Have you been out there and heard some of the things they yell? You'd be embarrassed. Anyway...unless you provide a case name for the one you are mentioning, you are painting a huge skew on what actually happened, if it's the case I think it was. Fargo Women's Health Organization v. Lambs of Christ, 502 N.W.2d 536 (N.D. 1993) was due to the harassment and other tortious acts being committed by the protesters.

You call it harassment just like the Nazi's thought it was harassment when people told them to stop killing the Jews. So first, the Nazi's arrested the protesters, then they executed them. Our country is still at the arresting stage.

 

[lux et lex]

Wow...this got Godwin'd fast.

 

[Ave Maria]

I am from North Dakota. I work as an escort outside the clinic to keep the likes of your friends away from patients entering the clinic. You call it counseling, I call it harassment. Have you been out there and heard some of the things they yell? You'd be embarrassed. Anyway...unless you provide a case name for the one you are mentioning, you are painting a huge skew on what actually happened, if it's the case I think it was. Fargo Women's Health Organization v. Lambs of Christ, 502 N.W.2d 536 (N.D. 1993) was due to the harassment and other tortious acts being committed by the protesters.

What you see as harassment, many people see as life saving sidewalk counseling. There is nothing wrong with sidewalk counseling. And it is not harassment.

 

[lux et lex]

It is absolutely harassment. I stand outside the clinic as an escort. The sheer fact that escorts are needed because women are scared to go to any sort of appointment at the clinic, whether it be an abortion or a yearly physical (they do all those things too), tells me it is harassment. Waving propaganda in people's faces and yelling at them to "not play God" or (to a man walking in with a woman) "Be a real man" really sounds supportive and like time well spent saving lives. If you are so concerned about these fetuses, why not donate clothes to a women's shelter or help lobby congress for better welfare programs...etc? I can tell you from watching as I have, yelling at clients and praying the rosary at ear bleeding levels is doing nothing for your cause.

 

[Ave Maria]

It is absolutely harassment. I stand outside the clinic as an escort. The sheer fact that escorts are needed because women are scared to go to any sort of appointment at the clinic, whether it be an abortion or a yearly physical (they do all those things too), tells me it is harassment. Waving propaganda in people's faces and yelling at them to "not play God" or (to a man walking in with a woman) "Be a real man" really sounds supportive and like time well spent saving lives. If you are so concerned about these fetuses, why not donate clothes to a women's shelter or help lobby congress for better welfare programs...etc? I can tell you from watching as I have, yelling at clients and praying the rosary at ear bleeding levels is doing nothing for your cause.

I never said that I supported yelling at women and praying the rosary at "ear bleeding levels". What I do support is passing out pro-life pamphlets (which you call propaganda) and talking calmly to the people going in to the clinic about the reality of abortion and what abortion really is... murder. I also support praying the rosary in front of abortion clinics but not at an "ear bleeding level" which would serve only to truly harass those going in to the clinic. In other words, I don't support screaming the rosary.

Oh and about propaganda, the pro-abortion side likes to pass out it's own propaganda I'm sure.

And also, how do you know that I and others don't lobby congress for better welfare or donate to shelters for women?

 

[Ave Maria]

It is absolutely harassment. I stand outside the clinic as an escort. The sheer fact that escorts are needed because women are scared to go to any sort of appointment at the clinic, whether it be an abortion or a yearly physical (they do all those things too), tells me it is harassment. Waving propaganda in people's faces and yelling at them to "not play God" or (to a man walking in with a woman) "Be a real man" really sounds supportive and like time well spent saving lives. If you are so concerned about these fetuses, why not donate clothes to a women's shelter or help lobby congress for better welfare programs...etc? I can tell you from watching as I have, yelling at clients and praying the rosary at ear bleeding levels is doing nothing for your cause.

I agree. For the anti-abortion side to do such things definitely does not support their cause. Plus, the propaganda they like to pass out often times does not tell the truth. For example, anti-abortion people are often known to spread around the myth about "post-abortion syndrome" which is a "syndrome" that doesn't even exist in mainstream medical knowledge.


That said, I think the anti-abortion side would do much better to lobby congress for better welfare as you said and also to donate to a shelter for women and spread around truthful information about abortion rather than the emotion driven drivel that they typically spread around.

 

[lux et lex]

At least at the clinic I volunteer for, there are no pro choice people handing out material. They let the woman CHOOSE for HERSELF instead of trying to manipulate her one way or another.

 

[NDNgirl4ever]

At least at the clinic I volunteer for, there are no pro choice people handing out material. They let the woman CHOOSE for HERSELF instead of trying to manipulate her one way or another

Which is exactly the way it should be.

 

[Trashionista]

What you see as harassment, many people see as life saving sidewalk counseling. There is nothing wrong with sidewalk counseling. And it is not harassment.

If I don't want someone counselling me before a dermotology appointment or before a routine physical or when visiting my GP to get on the Pill, why would I want someone in my face when I've made my choice to get an abortion?

All hypothetical. But if past the age of 18, my parents can't come into a doctor's appointment with me, I sure as heck don't want some anonymous yahoo trying to bully me.

 

[K9_Trainer]

It is absolutely harassment. I stand outside the clinic as an escort. The sheer fact that escorts are needed because women are scared to go to any sort of appointment at the clinic, whether it be an abortion or a yearly physical (they do all those things too), tells me it is harassment. Waving propaganda in people's faces and yelling at them to "not play God" or (to a man walking in with a woman) "Be a real man" really sounds supportive and like time well spent saving lives. If you are so concerned about these fetuses, why not donate clothes to a women's shelter or help lobby congress for better welfare programs...etc? I can tell you from watching as I have, yelling at clients and praying the rosary at ear bleeding levels is doing nothing for your cause.

I agree with this.

The focus needs to be aimed at teaching girls about birth control and the benefits of abstinence. Young girls need to be reached out to about abortion and what it does, what it is BEFORE they fall pregnant.

 

[Ave Maria]

You call it harassment just like the Nazi's thought it was harassment when people told them to stop killing the Jews. So first, the Nazi's arrested the protesters, then they executed them. Our country is still at the arresting stage.

Comparing pro-choicers to Nazis are we? How disgusting. Do you not realize that by comparing the pro-choicers to Nazis that you are seriously downplaying what the Nazis did to those millions of people? To me, this is one of the most sickening things about pro-lifers. They are always comparing pro-choicers to Nazis and this is just sickening. It totally downplays what the Nazis did to millions of people.