BLM and ANTIFA protests....

Gene2memE · Mar 14, 2021

Ken-1122 said:
I don't think most of the Antifa riots were about police reform, I think they used legitimate protests as an excuse to destroy private property and loot because they knew they could get away with it; and unfortunately most of the city leaders allowed it to happen.

What "Antifa riots" were there? How do you distinguish between BLM protests and "Antifa riots"?

Were the Antifa riots the ones where the Boogaloo Bois tried to burn down a police station? Or discharged firearms into cars and buildings? Or were they the ones where self identified members of the alt-right murdered a police officer? Or the ones where members of various militia movements were charged with a laundry list of firearms offenses? Or the ones where militia movements were charged with deliberately inciting violence?

Aldebaran · Mar 15, 2021

Gene2memE said:
What "Antifa riots" were there? How do you distinguish between BLM protests and "Antifa riots"?

Were the Antifa riots the ones where the Boogaloo Bois tried to burn down a police station? Or discharged firearms into cars and buildings? Or were they the ones where self identified members of the alt-right murdered a police officer? Or the ones where members of various militia movements were charged with a laundry list of firearms offenses? Or the ones where militia movements were charged with deliberately inciting violence?

Fake news. Those were Antifa and BLM. Projecting their actions onto the Right is dishonest.

Ken-1122 · Mar 15, 2021

Gene2memE said:
What "Antifa riots" were there? How do you distinguish between BLM protests and "Antifa riots"?

Antifa wear's all black and cover their face in all black

Gene2memE said:
Were the Antifa riots the ones where the Boogaloo Bois tried to burn down a police station?

No Antifa were the ones who barricaded the doors to the police station while people were still inside, and tried to set it on fire. A couple guys were actually charged for that one

Gene2memE said:
Or discharged firearms into cars and buildings?

I'm sure they did that too

Gene2memE said:
Or were they the ones where self identified members of the alt-right murdered a police officer? Or the ones where members of various militia movements were charged with a laundry list of firearms offenses? Or the ones where militia movements were charged with deliberately inciting violence?

The fact that they were charged should tell you they weren't Antifa, Antifa usually get away with such stuff because the city leaders have the cops stand down while they riot

Strathos · Mar 16, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Fake news. Those were Antifa and BLM. Projecting their actions onto the Right is dishonest.

There were definitely right-wing agent provocateurs involved in many cases. Saying they don't exist is just as dishonest as saying that they were responsible for 100% of the violence. The answer is between those two extremes.

Aldebaran · Mar 16, 2021

Strathos said:
There were definitely right-wing agent provocateurs involved in many cases. Saying they don't exist is just as dishonest as saying that they were responsible for 100% of the violence. The answer is between those two extremes.

There's also the fact that these were BLM protests that became riots. The had the signs, chanted the slogans, said that there would be no peace, and then proceeded to inflict mayhem on the cities they lived in.

Strathos · Mar 16, 2021

Aldebaran said:
There's also the fact that these were BLM protests that became riots. The had the signs, chanted the slogans, said that there would be no peace, and then proceeded to inflict mayhem on the cities they lived in.

Like I said, you can't blame the infiltrators for all of the violence, but you can't deny they exist and their actions have been documented.

Aldebaran · Mar 16, 2021

Strathos said:
Like I said, you can't blame the infiltrators for all of the violence, but you can't deny they exist and their actions have been documented.

You can even make up the idea that a capitol police officer was beaten to death with a flagpole. Doesn't make it true though.

Gene2memE · Mar 17, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Fake news. Those were Antifa and BLM. Projecting their actions onto the Right is dishonest.

Nope. All of those are factual, sourced from news articles covering either successful convictions or ongoing prosecutions with guilty pleas.

A pinch of information cures a pound of ignorance.

Yep, there were Antifa bad actors. And idiots using the BLM movement to engage in wanting violence against people and property.

However, to pretend that agent provacateurs weren't present or responsible for some of the most serious incidents during the BLM protest period is to bury ones head in the sand.

Unlike the efforts to reverse the finger with the Capitol riot, there is a legitimate point to be made here.

Aldebaran · Mar 17, 2021

Gene2memE said:
Nope. All of those are factual, sourced from news articles covering either successful convictions or ongoing prosecutions with guilty pleas.

A pinch of information cures a pound of ignorance.

Yep, there were Antifa bad actors. And idiots using the BLM movement to engage in wanting violence against people and property.

However, to pretend that agent provacateurs weren't present or responsible for some of the most serious incidents during the BLM protest period is to bury ones head in the sand.

Unlike the efforts to reverse the finger with the Capitol riot, there is a legitimate point to be made here.

And yet, some sources are starting to backpeddle on the claim you're repeating. They've gone from saying "no involvement" by antifa to now saying, "No significant involvement":
There's Still No Evidence Antifa Was Significantly Involved in the Capitol Riots

"The day after the riot, I wrote a piece for Reason explaining why the assertion that antifa had any significant involvement in the riot was false."

"It is true that a single individual with left-wing ties—the activist John Sullivan—has now been arrested for participating in the storming of the Capitol."

rambot · Mar 17, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Fake news. Those were Antifa and BLM. Projecting their actions onto the Right is dishonest.

Not fake news. It wasn't "the right". It was the "far right" and yes, they were destructive. Great example? Umbrella man?

Most importantly, how did htey use their violence? Again, take a look at Umbrella man. It's just "Broken Windows" theory

Strathos · Mar 17, 2021

Aldebaran said:
You can even make up the idea that a capitol police officer was beaten to death with a flagpole. Doesn't make it true though.

Well you're right that it wasn't a flagpole.

Law enforcement officials initially said Officer Sicknick was struck in the head with a fire extinguisher, but medical experts have said he did not die of blunt force trauma, according to one law enforcement official. Instead, investigators increasingly believe that Officer Sicknick may have been sprayed in the face with mace or bear spray, the official said.

“He returned to his division office and collapsed,” the Capitol Police said in a statement. “He was taken to a local hospital, where he succumbed to his injuries.”

Aldebaran · Mar 17, 2021

Strathos said:
Well you're right that it wasn't a flagpole.

Yet it was the narrative you guys have been pushing ever since Jan 6th without even knowing the facts.

Strathos · Mar 19, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Yet it was the narrative you guys have been pushing ever since Jan 6th without even knowing the facts.

"You guys"? I don't recall saying any such thing. Furthermore, does the specific murder weapon used change the facts in any relevant way?

Aldebaran · Mar 19, 2021

Strathos said:
"You guys"? I don't recall saying any such thing. Furthermore, does the specific murder weapon used change the facts in any relevant way?

Pepper spray, a murder weapon?
Then what "murder weapon" killed nearly everyone else who died? Stress?

Strathos · Mar 19, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Pepper spray, a murder weapon?
Then what "murder weapon" killed nearly everyone else who died? Stress?

Bear spray. A bit stronger. Combined with a blow to the head from a fire extinguisher. Funny how you're trying to excuse the murder.

Aldebaran · Mar 19, 2021

Strathos said:
Bear spray. A bit stronger. Combined with a blow to the head from a fire extinguisher. Funny how you're trying to excuse the murder.

Yeah, he didn't die from the fire extinguisher thing. That's theory has been debunked already.

Strathos · Mar 19, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Yeah, he didn't die from the fire extinguisher thing. That's theory has been debunked already.

He didn't die from it alone, but it certainly didn't help him.

Aldebaran · Mar 19, 2021

Strathos said:
He didn't die from it alone, but it certainly didn't help him.

It's really amazing that this one police officer's death is the main focus of Jan 6th, and yet the thousands that were injured or killed during last year by LEFT wing extremists are always swept under the rug by the same people who focus on Jan 6th.
At least 25 Americans were killed during protests and political unrest in 2020

Strathos · Mar 19, 2021

Aldebaran said:
It's really amazing that this one police officer's death is the main focus of Jan 6th, and yet the thousands that were injured or killed during last year by LEFT wing extremists are always swept under the rug by the same people who focus on Jan 6th.
At least 25 Americans were killed during protests and political unrest in 2020

I'm not trying to excuse the murders of those people. Why are you trying to excuse this one?

Erik Nelson · Apr 9, 2021

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