Blessed with a First Class Relic....WOW

[Chris†opher Paul]

I got blessed with the ACTUAL bones of 11 of the Apostles! Our priest at our last RCIA class brought out the relic with bone fragments of the 11 original apostles.

He blessed us with it. He got it from the Pope's right-hand man in the Vatican years ago.



I was feeling really conflicted about my conversion (cold feet I guess) but now I feel great after the blessing.

 

[Hoonbaba]

uhmm....doesn't that sound a bit.....morbid???

I guess I don't fully understand relics.

-Jason

 

[geocajun]

thats awesome!

 

[sklippstein]

11th April 2003 at 10:30 AM Chris†opher Paul said this in Post #1

I got blessed with the ACTUAL bones of 11 of the Apostles! Our priest at our last RCIA class brought out the relic with bone fragments of the 11 original apostles.

He blessed us with it. He got it from the Pope's right-hand man in the Vatican years ago.



I was feeling really conflicted about my conversion (cold feet I guess) but now I feel great after the blessing.

So cool!!!!!!!!!! And i'm glad ur feeling more confident in ur choice to become a Catholic. It is a commitment and I think when it comes to commitments we all get a little scared. Glad to have u as a brother!

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Hoonbaba-

Its all very biblical. Bones of Elisha raised a dead person in the OT. In the NT, people were healed by Peter's shadow touching them, or by touching Jesus' clothing.

 

[Budge]

My parents got this big time relic when my sister nearly died as a child. I cant remember the exact saint it came from. They used to keep it in a safe. When I was a kid, me and my brother would sneak in there--sometimes it was unlocked--no money was in there just papers and this relic, and look at it. It looked like old bones. I actually dont trust the validity of these relics. They were big business in the Medieval Age. Us NCCs dont believe in relics.

 

[nyj]

Today at 08:35 AM Budge said this in Post #6

It looked like old bones.

If it was a "first class" relic, than chances are it was a bone fragment.

Second class relics are things that have been worn by the saint.

Third class relics are things that have been touched to the saint.

I actually dont trust the validity of these relics.

Why? Lemme guess... they're from Satan, right?

They were big business in the Medieval Age.

The Catholic Church has always, and I mean always, said that relics are never to be bought or sold.

 

[Budge]

I dont think they are from Satan. Just that they have no intrinsic power.

It would have been a first class relic. My sister was dying and my parents I believe knew a high ranking Catholic cleric. I have a second cousin who is a priest, maybe he got it for them. Im not sure.

I will have to check on whether relics were ever bought or sold. I thought they were at least during the Middle Ages if they are not now.

 

[ZooMom]

True relics are not bought and sold with Church approval. Con artists that hawked 'relics' to people in the Middle Ages are no different from the guy on the corner in NYC that tries to sell you a 'Rolex' for $20.

In fact anything that even carries a blessing is not approved for sale by the Church. My rosary, for instance. It has been blessed. I can give it away but I can't sell it. If I do sell it, it 'loses' the blessing.

Peace be with you.

 

[Wolseley]

Yesterday at 09:35 AM Budge said this in Post #6

My parents got this big time relic when my sister nearly died as a child. I cant remember the exact saint it came from. They used to keep it in a safe. When I was a kid, me and my brother would sneak in there--sometimes it was unlocked--no money was in there just papers and this relic, and look at it. It looked like old bones. I actually dont trust the validity of these relics. They were big business in the Medieval Age. Us NCCs dont believe in relics.

Any time that someone recieves a wonderful blessing and spiritual strength from a Catholic sacramental, you can always count on Budge to throw cold water on it, because "we don't believe in that nonsense".

"And if *I* don't get a blessing out of it, then by God, I'll do my best to make sure nobody else does, either."

Thanks, Budge.

I dont think they are from Satan. Just that they have no intrinsic power.

And of course, God can't work through them, either, right? He's limited in what He can really do, poor Guy. I mean, we all know He's powerful, but he's not that powerful. God, being able to work through a relic? Pfah! Ridiculous!

I will have to check on whether relics were ever bought or sold. I thought they were at least during the Middle Ages if they are not now.

Spurious relics were sold during the Middle Ages, but never with Church approval. The act of selling a sacred object is simony, which is condemend by the Church.

 

[Budge]

Any time that someone recieves a wonderful blessing and spiritual strength from a Catholic sacramental, you can always count on Budge to throw cold water on it, because "we don't believe in that nonsense".

Well I didnt want to get you upset but I dont believe these things hold intrinsic power. I am not a sacramentalist.

I wont post on it here since this isnt the debate board but maybe Ill post later too on this why Protestants dont believe in relics on the interdenom board.

And of course, God can't work through them, either, right? He's limited in what He can really do, poor Guy. I mean, we all know He's powerful, but he's not that powerful. God, being able to work through a relic? Pfah! Ridiculous!

Why would God *need* a relic to do working in someones life? This is a focus on the physical world.

Spurious relics were sold during the Middle Ages, but never with Church approval. The act of selling a sacred object is simony, which is condemend by the Church.

Im glad they condemned it. Im glad you admit some sold them even if in sin and error.




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[nyj]

Today at 04:57 PM Budge said this in Post #11

Why would God *need* a relic to do working in someones life? This is a focus on the physical world.

Why would Jesus spit in some dirt, make it into mud paste and smear it on someone's eyes to restore their sight? Why would touching Jesus' clothing (or Peters or Pauls) heal someone without them assenting to it?

Im glad they condemned it. Im glad you admit some sold them even if in sin and error.

Why are you so glad he admitted it? Does this admission somehow validate some guilt by the Church itself? Since the word "simony" is a spin on the New Testament character "Simon Magus" who was guilty of doing these very things (though not selling a relic) it has been prevalent from the very beginning and is not a sign that the Catholic Church is somehow apostate.

 

[Miss Shelby]

In fact anything that even carries a blessing is not approved for sale by the Church. My rosary, for instance. It has been blessed. I can give it away but I can't sell it. If I do sell it, it 'loses' the blessing.

Do you want to know something? I have an item that was blessed by the Pope. I had completely forgotten about it until I read your post, ZooMom. It's a photograph of Pope John Paul holding a baby in his arms and kissing him on the forehead. One of the Priests gave it to me in high school. It's not a recopied photograph, and I remember he said 'this photograph has been blessed by the Pope and I want you to have it, Michelle' I can't believe that I had forgotten I even have it. It was probably 1983 or something. Wow. I'm going to go dig that photo album out of the closet.

Michelle

 

[Wolseley]

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[ZooMom]

17th April 2003 at 07:29 PM Miss Shelby said this in Post #13


Do you want to know something? I have an item that was blessed by the Pope. I had completely forgotten about it until I read your post, ZooMom. It's a photograph of Pope John Paul holding a baby in his arms and kissing him on the forehead. One of the Priests gave it to me in high school. It's not a recopied photograph, and I remember he said 'this photograph has been blessed by the Pope and I want you to have it, Michelle' I can't believe that I had forgotten I even have it. It was probably 1983 or something. Wow. I'm going to go dig that photo album out of the closet.

Michelle

Very cool! Maybe you could scan and post it for us?