Blessed are the Meek

[timothyu]

Jordan Peterson rightly explains what it biblically means to be meek... to have a sword and know how to use it, but keep it sheathed.

 

[durangodawood]

Either "meek" means what the word means, or the Bible translation is in dire need of updating.

 

[timothyu]

Why would grovelers inherit anything? It is those that refrain from using the power or ability to oppress, who show true restraint by refraining. We all have the ability to seek gain at the expense of others. There are a few who choose to not use it thus loving all as self.

 

[partinobodycular]

Jordan Peterson rightly explains what it biblically means to be meek... to have a sword and know how to use it, but keep it sheathed.

So Mother Teresa was a closet ninja? Otherwise, according to Jordan Peterson's definition she wouldn't qualify as being meek. Either that, or everybody that doesn't kill, torture, and rape their fellow human beings is being meek. His message is very convoluted and meaningless.

 

[Tinker Grey]

"They" don't want this out?

 

[timothyu]

Either that, or everybody that doesn't kill, torture, and rape their fellow human beings is being meek.

Meek is another word for using restraint. Not one of man's redeeming features. And yes Mother T as personally witnessed, was an aggressive being as needed when it came to challenging the rich to fork over the cash for her missions.

 

[timothyu]

"They" don't want this out?

If you would like to take this off-track by attacking the medium not the message

 

[partinobodycular]

And yes Mother T as personally witnessed, was an aggressive being as needed when it came to challenging the rich to fork over the cash for her missions.

Which is exactly what makes Mr. Peterson's claims meaningless. Everybody is capable of aggression. Which means that everybody is justified in considering themselves to be meek, and that renders his entire argument pointless.

 

[timothyu]

Everybody is capable of aggression. Which means that everybody is justified in considering themselves to be meek, and that renders his entire argument pointless.

What he said was it was only the meek who practised restraint. Which is the better person? A bully who practices their craft or one one who restrains themselves from doing so? A sinner who practices their craft or a sinner who restrains themselves?

 

[partinobodycular]

What he said was it was only the meek who practised restraint. Which is the better person?

Let me rephrase the question. Which is the meeker person, the one who doesn't desire to abuse his child, or the one who desires to, but doesn't? I would argue that the one who doesn't desire to, is the meeker person. And that while the ability to restrain oneself may be a noble trait, it isn't meekness, it's self-restraint. Mr. Peterson seems to have confused the two, and argues that without one you cannot have the other. I think that he's wrong.

 

[timothyu]

Which is the meeker person, the one who doesn't desire to abuse his child, or the one who desires to, but doesn't?

We are all capable of abusing. There is no righteous distinction.

 

[Sunshinee777]

Toxic masculinity
What is that? I hope they don’t say that men can be toxic like that. Just let the men be men.

 

[timothyu]

Just let the men be men.

People be people. We are a field of grain and tares. One is no more righteous than the other.

There is a saying circulating out there that applies to all, not some.
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[eleos1954]

Jordan Peterson rightly explains what it biblically means to be meek... to have a sword and know how to use it, but keep it sheathed.

Meekness is an attitude of humility toward God and gentleness toward people—when we recognize that God is in control and that we can trust Him, even when things don’t go the way we would like, which is so often the case (Is it not?).

To be meek, one needs confidence, not in oneself but in the Lord. Although weakness and meekness may look similar, they are not the same.

Weakness is due to negative circumstances, such as lack of strength or lack of courage, hardly the words to describe Jesus, who said, “Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart” (Matt. 11:29).

praus: mild, gentle
Original Word: πραΰς, πραεῖα, πραΰ
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: praus
Phonetic Spelling: (prah-ooce')
Definition: meekness
Usage: mild, gentle.

Meekness, rather, is the result of a person’s conscious choice to trust in God and lean on Him, as opposed to pushing for one’s own ways. Thus, meekness arises out of strength, not weakness.

 

[partinobodycular]

Meekness, rather, is the result of a person’s conscious choice to trust in God and lean on Him, as opposed to pushing for one’s own ways.

But even in this definition there's no need for God. Meekness is merely the choice to do the compassionate thing.

But why is it about choice at all?

Isn't the person who does the compassionate thing simply because it's in their nature to do so meeker than the person who must first overcome their desire to do otherwise?

Surely the former is meeker than the latter.

 

[timothyu]

Thus, meekness arises out of strength, not weakness.

Exactly. Strength under control.

 

[partinobodycular]

We are all capable of abusing. There is no righteous distinction.

But you're confusing two separate things. The righteousness that comes with being meek in spirit, and the righteousness that comes with exercising restraint.

The truly meek person doesn't need to exercise restraint, because they have no desire to do otherwise.

 

[partinobodycular]

Exactly. Strength under control.

That's restraint...not meekness.

 

[timothyu]

The truly meek person doesn't need to exercise restraint, because they have no desire to do otherwise.

But at the same time they are quite capable of doing the opposite. They are not a separate species. Even those that claim God has changed them are still quite capable of any sin.

 

[timothyu]

That's restraint...not meekness.

Same difference. Was Jesus meek or restrained?