And you clearly can't find a place where he said that all Gentiles who believed in him and had received eternal life, HAD to keep all the laws in Leviticus.
Jesus said that the 10 commandments could be summed up in 2
love your God and love your neighbour.
Loving God
(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.
No he didn't. Here is what he said:
(CLV) Mt 22:40
On these two precepts is hanging the whole law and the prophets."
(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,
And you clearly can't find a place where he said that all Gentiles who believed in him and had received eternal life, HAD to keep all the laws in Leviticus.
So - DO you believe that "God's word" includes ALL the promises written in Leviticus, and Exodus and Deuteronomy? And do you keep the?
Yes, you keep saying that - and I keep saying, "that does not say that Gentiles who follow Jesus and have eternal life need to keep the law."
The law still stands, but Jesus has fulfilled it. As for Gentiles who were never under it; we have Jesus. Jesus is all we, or anyone else needs; he is THE Word of God; the Alpha and the Omega, the final Word.
How do you define a "precept"? All the laws in Leviticus? All the words that God spoke to other people about tearing down their idols, or building the tabernacle? Or the 10 commandments?
The word of God, the final word (I don't believe he has given us the final word yet.), says that the law stands.
Why would you say that Yahshua fulfilled the law, past tense?
Yahshua said that the law and the prophets would not pass away before heaven and earth, till all be fulfilled.
So - DO you believe that "God's word" includes ALL the promises written in Leviticus, and Exodus and Deuteronomy? And do you keep the?
The laws that were given to the Hebrews at Mt Sinai, through Moses, were for those who had been rescued from Egypt by God. That might have included some who wanted to convert to the faith - Egyptians who wanted to escape the final plague, trusted in the God of Abraham and put themselves under the protection of the lamb's blood. But Gentiles were not under God's law and included as God's people unless they trusted in the One God and converted to the faith.
I, personally, have no Jewish ancestors. I am connected with Judaism in that the Lord Jesus and the early church were all Jews; that's it. But as they taught at the council of Jerusalem, Gentiles did not have to convert to Judaism before they could find salvation in Jesus.
I don't understand the question.
Do you mean Zechariah? If so, which one; the prophet? The father of John the Baptist or one of the other 26 men, apparently, in Scripture who bear that name?
Why are you asking about Zechariah when you quoted from Isaiah?
Whoever this person is, what have they got to do with the Pharisees?
I'm not sure that you have any support for your belief that it was included; just assumption that it must have been.
Exactly.
So are we, who are saved by, belong to and told to live in the new High Priest - Jesus himself - bound by the laws of the Old Covenant, which as you said, changed?
Well as I don't have an oxen, that makes it a very easy word to obey.
I never said any of these laws were stupid, I was asking if you believe we are bound by them. I don't.
No idea - it's one of the laws in Leviticus that you seem to think we need to keep.
I don't have a beard, personally, so it's not a problem.
You tell me.
You are arguing that when Jesus said we should believe every word that God spoke, that includes Leviticus. One of the commands in Leviticus is that you shall not trim the end of your beard; I'm asking you, as a believer that Leviticus has to be kept today, if you keep it.
I don't understand what you mean by that.
What I have been asking all along is, when you say we need to keep every word of God, does that include ALL the laws in Leviticus?"
If so, do you keep them - including the one abut the beard?
This law, offering animals as sacrifice for sin, is explained in Leviticus; a book of the Bible which you seem certain we should keep.
So there ARE parts of God's word that we don't keep?
Not always; in Abraham and Moses' day, another organ of the body was involved.
I don't need to understand it.
I'm not a Jew and Jesus is my High Priest.
I really don't understand the rest of your post.
You seem adamant that as we have to obey EVERY word of God, there is no reason why that shouldn't include Leviticus. But then you say that sacrificial laws are obsolete and we have a new high priest and the old covenant its obsolete - as well as asking questions about why God is concerned with beard length.
It's quite simple - Leviticus (and Exodus and Deuteronomy) is either included in the every word from God which we are to keep, or it isn't. And if it is, that means EVERY word - you don't get to pick and choose from the laws in there, and you can't say that half the laws are obsolete.
by "law" I mean all the instructions in Leviticus about food, clothing and social customs; not the 10 commandments.
Read Leviticus.
If the people sinned, they had to offer a sacrifice. If they were guilty, they offered a sacrifice. If they wanted to make a peace offering - another sacrifice. On some occasions they made burnt, or grain, offerings. Do we do that today? No; Christ offered his life once and for all as a sacrifice for sin, Hebrews 9:26, Hebrews 10:12. If we confess our sins, Jesus forgives us and takes away our guilt, 1 John 1:9. Christ has made peace between us and God, Romans 5:1, Colossians 1:20.
God gave the people rules on how to be holy; eat certain types of food, wear clothes of only one fabric, not touch anyone who was deemed to be "unclean", not marry anyone of another faith - and others. Paul said that it was not wise to marry a non Christian, but apart from that Jesus made us holy when he made it possible for God's Holy Spirit to live IN us.
God gave the Hebrew people certain festivals to keep - most of which were to remind them of the time that he rescued them from slavery, sin and death at the hands of the Egyptians. They had the feast of Tabernacles, the Passover, the Day of Atonement, the feast of unlevened bread, and others. Jesus, the eternal Word, became flesh and was tabernacled (dwelt) among us. He is the Passover Lamb, 1 Corinthians 5:7, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, John 1:29; the spotless Lamb without sin, 1 Peter 1:19, 1 Corinthians 1:7. He atoned for us when he died on Good Friday, Matthew 26:28, Mark 10:45. And when he celebrated one final, earthly, Passover before he died, he told his disciples to "do this in memory of me."
He is the bread of life and the true vine. He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, the author and perfector of our faith, and all we need.
Jesus also taught the disciples how the law and the prophets spoke about him, Luke 24:27, Luke 24:44. The prophets prophesied his coming, his ministry, his death and resurrection; he fulfilled these prophecies when he came, ministered, taught, died and was raised again.
There is nothing in the 10 about abstaining for blood. Where do you suppose James got that?
There is nothing in the 10 about drunkenness. Where do you suppose Paul got that?
YHWH's perfect Torah goes far deeper than the 10.
This is the point I make very frequently to folks such as the Seventh-Day Adventists who stoutly insist that all humanity, and especially believers in Christ, are obligated to keep God's commandments and that what God has written cannot be changed. However, they are equally strident that God's unchangeable commandments are only the 10 and then they conveniently pick and choose which of the others to obey.
I haven't met an SDA member who is perfect; but neither am I.
Let us pray to YHWH, to give us the strength to come to full obedience to his perfect Torah; so that when the beams have been removed form our eyes; we can see the specks in the eyes of our brothers.
Even more so, let us pray to YHWH, to give us the strength to come to full obedience to his perfect Torah; so that as we follow in the steps of Messiah; we can become shining examples to those who would practice lawlessness in his kadosh name.
Hallelu YAH!
There is nothing in the 10 about abstaining for blood. Where do you suppose James got that?
There is nothing in the 10 about drunkenness. Where do you suppose Paul got that?
YHWH's perfect Torah goes far deeper than the 10.
None of this proves that Yahshua fulfilled the law, past tense.
Aside from other flaws in this response,
Yahshua did not die on a Friday;
YHWH's Moedim (Feasts) are forever; and they will even be honored by the foreigner in the kingdom to come.
Well if you want to keep them; good for you.
Jesus is all I need.
Genesis 9:4 - Noah.
Not a law for Gentile followers of Christ.
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