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Black Lives Matter: Yes, they do. But so do white lives, and Asian lives, and all lives. The problem with the Black Lives Matter thing is that it places the emphasis on the physical life of the black person rather than on the life that should be lived by that person. Certainly the physical portion is important to the issue; as is the taking of that life whether just or unjust. But so are the practical day to day lives of the people.

This entire issue had its present origins in the 2014 shooting of Michael Brown, by police officer Darren Wilson, in Ferguson, Missouri. It is debated what actually took place that day. Some insist that Brown was an innocent victim of racial hatred. Others, that Brown was aggressive toward the officer, fighting with him and trying to get his gun. The thing that was deliberately overlooked by many in the black community was that Brown was a thief who had, immediately prior to the shooting, been brashly stealing from a nearby convenience store. He was also a bully who viciously shoved and menaced the store clerk who tried to stop him and who, by the way, was half his size. This is clearly seen in the video evidence.

Now, whether the shooting of Michael Brown was justified or not, whether, as many might say, he did not deserve to die merely because of his actions in the store, it cannot be denied that the portion of Brown’s life that mattered most was the sort of life he demonstrated in that store. Had it not been for his being a thief and a tyrant the shooting would, most likely, never have occurred. The officer who shot Brown was there because of a report of Brown’s crime and would, almost certainly, not have been at that precise point, to shoot Brown, apart from the crime.

It is evident, therefore, that Brown’s life, prior to the shooting, mattered a great deal for how one lives can, and does, greatly effect what they experience in life. It is a fact, for example, that if you are not involved in drugs you are much less likely to be a victim of drug related violence. Does this mean that anyone is immune from such violence merely because they are not involved? No. Could Brown have been shot by a truly racist police officer on that day, and in that same location, even if he were a model Black citizen and not a criminal? Yes. But the odds that this could transpire, as, when and where it did, are so very much against that.

What we see in this incident may well be racial hatred and police violence. It is a fact of life, in America, that some white people are racist just as it is a fact that some black people are racist. It is a fact that there are rogue cops who need to be fired and, perhaps, locked up. It is more likely, however, that what occurred had more to do with the deception that has been perpetrated among black people by people such as Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson and the so-called reverend, Al Sharpton, that the most important thing in the lives of African-Americans is their civil rights, entitlements and liberties. This has been stressed again and again but it has been emphasized to the exclusion of something perhaps even more important; the fact of civil responsibilities.

Black Lives, how a black or anyone lives their life, does indeed Matter. Had Michael Brown understood this he might be alive today!
 
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This entire issue had its present origins in the 2014 shooting of Michael Brown, by police officer Darren Wilson, in Ferguson, Missouri.
You sure about that? I would go back a bit farther to the Trayvon Martin shooting in Feb 2012.
 
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While I do not condone the violence committed by many people involved directly or indirectly with the Black Lives Matter Movement, I do, however, stand in solidarity with the original purpose and intention of the movement. I do stand in solidarity against the ongoing police brutality and racial discrimination against people of color in this country.
 
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A perfect example of precisely what I am talking about where the black community is concerned. Thank you sir.
That doesn't make sense either. But I'll humor you with this: presenting the fight for civil rights by a people who's defining and consistent characteristic for its entire history as being somehow misguided is such a stupid notion that only a racist could dream up. Not all racists realize they're racist or intend to be racist but it is racist nonetheless
 
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Not all racists realize they're racist or intend to be racist but it is racist nonetheless
I agree. I do not think anyone can understand just how pervasive it is until you are on the receiving end of it.
 
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At some point things need to change, hopefully before things escelate further, people say blacks need to be patient and work within the system, but at what point do you give up? This isn't some new problem it's something thats been ignored, but now a tipping point has been reached where people will no longer accept excuses.
 
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Black Lives Matter: Yes, they do. But so do white lives, and Asian lives, and all lives. The problem with the Black Lives Matter thing is that it places the emphasis on the physical life of the black person rather than on the life that should be lived by that person. Certainly the physical portion is important to the issue; as is the taking of that life whether just or unjust. But so are the practical day to day lives of the people.

This entire issue had its present origins in the 2014 shooting of Michael Brown, by police officer Darren Wilson, in Ferguson, Missouri. It is debated what actually took place that day. Some insist that Brown was an innocent victim of racial hatred. Others, that Brown was aggressive toward the officer, fighting with him and trying to get his gun. The thing that was deliberately overlooked by many in the black community was that Brown was a thief who had, immediately prior to the shooting, been brashly stealing from a nearby convenience store. He was also a bully who viciously shoved and menaced the store clerk who tried to stop him and who, by the way, was half his size. This is clearly seen in the video evidence.

Now, whether the shooting of Michael Brown was justified or not, whether, as many might say, he did not deserve to die merely because of his actions in the store, it cannot be denied that the portion of Brown’s life that mattered most was the sort of life he demonstrated in that store. Had it not been for his being a thief and a tyrant the shooting would, most likely, never have occurred. The officer who shot Brown was there because of a report of Brown’s crime and would, almost certainly, not have been at that precise point, to shoot Brown, apart from the crime.

It is evident, therefore, that Brown’s life, prior to the shooting, mattered a great deal for how one lives can, and does, greatly effect what they experience in life. It is a fact, for example, that if you are not involved in drugs you are much less likely to be a victim of drug related violence. Does this mean that anyone is immune from such violence merely because they are not involved? No. Could Brown have been shot by a truly racist police officer on that day, and in that same location, even if he were a model Black citizen and not a criminal? Yes. But the odds that this could transpire, as, when and where it did, are so very much against that.

What we see in this incident may well be racial hatred and police violence. It is a fact of life, in America, that some white people are racist just as it is a fact that some black people are racist. It is a fact that there are rogue cops who need to be fired and, perhaps, locked up. It is more likely, however, that what occurred had more to do with the deception that has been perpetrated among black people by people such as Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson and the so-called reverend, Al Sharpton, that the most important thing in the lives of African-Americans is their civil rights, entitlements and liberties. This has been stressed again and again but it has been emphasized to the exclusion of something perhaps even more important; the fact of civil responsibilities.

Black Lives, how a black or anyone lives their life, does indeed Matter. Had Michael Brown understood this he might be alive today!


Most wouldn't argue that what he did might not get him in trouble, the issue is nothing he did deserved to be shot, and very fact that you bring up what he did makes it come off as racist, because in the same incident no one would argue a white person should be shot.

Another problem not sure if this is the case, or it's the one of the others, but not only was the shooting unwarnted, but the cops harassing was unwaranted. The cop didn't know about the stealing at the time, he was just harassing a black man. The issue is the entire system that leads to this kind of thing where a white person wouldn't be shot, because the white person never have been treated the same, or even approached.
 
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The statement, "Black lives matter" isn't saying they matter more. They're saying that they matter because people don't seem to think that they matter at all. When people are being arrested for minor offenses, and are unarmed, and the police kill them, too many folks see that as reasonable. We keep seeing tons of cases of this happening to blacks and not nearly as much to whites. When someone dies in a situation like this no one talks about what a tragedy it is that someone died when they didn't need to, they talk about what a terrible person the victim was and that is what makes their life "not matter".

So when you say, sure, black lives matter, but it was that kid's fault that he got shot, you're not really saying that it matters much.

And while we're assassinating characters here, don't forget that Darren Wilson was let go from his first job in Jennings because the entire office was shut down due to complaints of racism. And that while the Justice Department found no evidence that Darren Wilson violated Michael Brown's civil rights, they did find that the Ferguson Police department was rife with racism.

So it isn't to say, "maybe there was some racism going on in this case" it should be to say, "there was probably some racism going on in this case.
 
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Black Lives Matter: Yes, they do. But so do white lives, and Asian lives, and all lives. The problem with the Black Lives Matter thing is that it places the emphasis on the physical life of the black person rather than on the life that should be lived by that person. Certainly the physical portion is important to the issue; as is the taking of that life whether just or unjust. But so are the practical day to day lives of the people.

This entire issue had its present origins in the 2014 shooting of Michael Brown, by police officer Darren Wilson, in Ferguson, Missouri. It is debated what actually took place that day. Some insist that Brown was an innocent victim of racial hatred. Others, that Brown was aggressive toward the officer, fighting with him and trying to get his gun. The thing that was deliberately overlooked by many in the black community was that Brown was a thief who had, immediately prior to the shooting, been brashly stealing from a nearby convenience store. He was also a bully who viciously shoved and menaced the store clerk who tried to stop him and who, by the way, was half his size. This is clearly seen in the video evidence.

Now, whether the shooting of Michael Brown was justified or not, whether, as many might say, he did not deserve to die merely because of his actions in the store, it cannot be denied that the portion of Brown’s life that mattered most was the sort of life he demonstrated in that store. Had it not been for his being a thief and a tyrant the shooting would, most likely, never have occurred. The officer who shot Brown was there because of a report of Brown’s crime and would, almost certainly, not have been at that precise point, to shoot Brown, apart from the crime.

It is evident, therefore, that Brown’s life, prior to the shooting, mattered a great deal for how one lives can, and does, greatly effect what they experience in life. It is a fact, for example, that if you are not involved in drugs you are much less likely to be a victim of drug related violence. Does this mean that anyone is immune from such violence merely because they are not involved? No. Could Brown have been shot by a truly racist police officer on that day, and in that same location, even if he were a model Black citizen and not a criminal? Yes. But the odds that this could transpire, as, when and where it did, are so very much against that.

What we see in this incident may well be racial hatred and police violence. It is a fact of life, in America, that some white people are racist just as it is a fact that some black people are racist. It is a fact that there are rogue cops who need to be fired and, perhaps, locked up. It is more likely, however, that what occurred had more to do with the deception that has been perpetrated among black people by people such as Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson and the so-called reverend, Al Sharpton, that the most important thing in the lives of African-Americans is their civil rights, entitlements and liberties. This has been stressed again and again but it has been emphasized to the exclusion of something perhaps even more important; the fact of civil responsibilities.

Black Lives, how a black or anyone lives their life, does indeed Matter. Had Michael Brown understood this he might be alive today!

I agree. As I have said before the slogan should be "Black LIFE Matters", and the sign should face the black community, not outward to a world that may never really care.
 
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Most wouldn't argue that what he did might not get him in trouble, the issue is nothing he did deserved to be shot, and very fact that you bring up what he did makes it come off as racist, because in the same incident no one would argue a white person should be shot.

Actually, the last part of your statement--"in the same incident no one would argue a white person should be shot"--is untrue; I'm white and would fully expect an officer to discharge his firearm at someone attempting to take it from him/her and, thus, potentially using it against him/her. In other words, I wouldn't make excuses for a white person who may be so directly involved in his/her own demise. If you attack/physically threaten a police officer's life--and that officer does what he/she is trained to do--then I hold no ill will toward the officer.
 
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Actually, the last part of your statement--"in the same incident no one would argue a white person should be shot"--is untrue; I'm white and would fully expect an officer to discharge his firearm at someone attempting to take it from him/her and, thus, potentially using it against him/her. In other words, I wouldn't make excuses for a white person who may be so directly involved in his/her own demise. If you attack/physically threaten a police officer's life--and that officer does what he/she is trained to do--then I hold no ill will toward the officer.

The police shoot lots of white people who don't deserve to be shot. The biggest problems is that they don't have any other weapons on hand, just their firearms. Many police departments have only one Taser for a dozen officers.
 
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The police shoot lots of white people who don't deserve to be shot.

I do not doubt that. But, remember, I wasn't talking about people who didn't deserve to be shot; I'm saying that I won't back up anyone--even if the person is white, like I am--if he/she pulls a really stupid move on a police officer, who, in turn, does that he/she has been trained to do in that situation.

The biggest problems is that they don't have any other weapons on hand, just their firearms. Many police departments have only one Taser for a dozen officers.

I know of this situation. But I must admit that if someone were trying to wrestle a firearm off of my body, I don't know if going for a Taser would prevent me from getting shot. Case in point: a would-be criminal who's hopped up on certain drugs may not be stopped as quickly/thoroughly by a Taser.

As someone once said, it's very easy to criticize a police officer's split-second decision, which us "regular folk" never have to make. I don't envy cops one bit--especially since they now are under the microscope for every...little...move that they make. (NOTE: I'm not saying that there aren't bad/rogue cops out there; I am saying that the American public shouldn't paint all cops as evil and/or racist.)
 
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I do not doubt that. But, remember, I wasn't talking about people who didn't deserve to be shot; I'm saying that I won't back up anyone--even if the person is white, like I am--if he/she pulls a really stupid move on a police officer, who, in turn, does that he/she has been trained to do in that situation.



I know of this situation. But I must admit that if someone were trying to wrestle a firearm off of my body, I don't know if going for a Taser would prevent me from getting shot. Case in point: a would-be criminal who's hopped up on certain drugs may not be stopped as quickly/thoroughly by a Taser.

As someone once said, it's very easy to criticize a police officer's split-second decision, which us "regular folk" never have to make. I don't envy cops one bit--especially since they now are under the microscope for every...little...move that they make. (NOTE: I'm not saying that there aren't bad/rogue cops out there; I am saying that the American public shouldn't paint all cops as evil and/or racist.)

I think most people side with the police most of the time. There are not that many shootings that are controversial. Those that are grab the headlines for months or years however. We have an ongoing lawsuit over a cop shooting a young white man over four years ago, while a more recent cop shooting of a young black man is all but forgotten here. This in a very liberal city.
 
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I am wondering why the BLM crowd is NOT openly celebrating the death of white police officer Ashley Guindon by a black suspect.
 
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