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Birth control is inevitable in any marriage. No couple can take care of 10+ children (well, some millionaires can ).
simply not true. i am one of 12 kids (soon to be 13) and my parents are everything but millionaires. we've all survived just fine
money isn't everything, and quite often what we think is poverty is just going without things we don't actually need. love is the most important thing, we can live without money, but we can't live without love (at least, not live life as it should be lived)
 
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Please, if you've never researched this issue and are just going along with what you've been told your whole life, examine it now. http://www.noroomforcontraception.com/
It's imperative we end the deaths caused by these poisons and devices of this self-inflicted castration.
 
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i sincerely hope that people reading this thread do not expect to get good medical advice that they can trust from a website on the net. yes, by all means read as much and as diverse a collection of opinions on whatever topic you need to. but before you get upset or carried away by strong emotions, or worse yet worried and concerned about what you read, talk to real live people you can trust, your doctor, your Pastors, trusted and wise friends.

simply put.
do not trust anything you read on the net without good colloboration from people you can trust.
there are not only wolves out there (or is it in here?) but there are sincere and well spoken(and well written) people who are just as sincerely wrong and therefore potentailly dangerous.

truth is sometimes hard to figure out, especially if it is a burning issue like BC, the stronger your emotional pull towards an issue, the more important it is to resist that temptation and let logic and good reason lead your way, not emotion.


when you go to a new (to you) website, poke around, find out who they are. if they don't tell you, assume they are hiding it for a neferious reason.

from: http://www.noroomforcontraception.com/Resources/Birth-Control-FAQ.htm

for instance, from the website linked to above.
 
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A couple should make the decision together. A good husband will not be a dictator, but will instead exepct his wife to be a reasonable, stable adult who can make decisions just as well as he can, and will want her to be a partner, not an employee.

The decision to take birth control is a medical one, too. Some conditions require the hormones in birth control. On the other hand, some women should not take birth control. A husband should want his wife to discuss the issue with her doctor, and make the right medical decision. A husband will not let his ego get in the way of his wife's health.





That is totally wrong. An IUD makes the uterus hostile to the zygote so it cannot implant and dies. Pills sometimes prevent ovulation, but if not, they also cause abortion in the same way an IUD does.
http://www.prolife.com/BIRTHCNT.html

I am going to take my medical advice from doctors and those who are experts in human reproductive biology, not from propaganda sites.


That raises some good questions. What about ectopic pregnancies? They have no chance of survival. And a high minority of fertilized eggs will never even become fetuses due to natural reasons that prevent them from being accepted on the uteran wall. Not to mention, what about identical twins? Are they only one soul, considering for the first while they are same fertilized egg? They begin as one zygote, and then seperate into two embroys.


I have no room for propaganda sites when it comes my health. I will listen to doctors and human reproductive experts first and foremost.
 
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what business is it of ours if people use (or don't) use birth control? That's between them isn't it?
tulc(seems a little...snoopy to me)
So you don't care that millions of people are chemically and surgically castrating themselves? Most people whould consider it an insult to be told not to reproduce. I'm sure I would get warned on this forum that that is considered flaming, even if the person proudly proclaims they are using birth control voluntarily. Think about that.
http://www.pregnantpause.org/abort/untold.htm
Please Christian people, stop doing this to yourselves.
 
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chemically and surgically castrating themselves

perhaps you can explain how condoms do this?
a claim that even this inflammatory link does not make.

i ALWAYS suspect the motives of people who heighten the passions in an already emotionally loaded topic by using inflammatory language like: castrating. It is not meant to be informative but mere propaganda. Experience says that these people are seldom interested in a discussion or a sharing of viewpoints but rather are interested in getting people swept off their feet and moving-at their directions.

for shame, i expect better of believers.
 
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Twincrier: are you willing to take on the responsibility of spreading false knowledge and propaganda?
The sites you're referring to are just that.

I just hope that NO ONE follows those links. It could be dangerous. On so many levels.

God Bless you all, equally.
 
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What's dangerous is birth control. Most people are totally uninformed of the side effects because they are downplayed by pharmacists and doctors.
Accusations of Lies and propaganda should fall to those who promote altering the body as God designed it with devices and chemicals and surgery and turning sex into fruitless recreation instead of the loving act it was meant to be. It's time to stop following the world.
http://www.cwfa.org/articles/7168/CWA/life/index.htm
Pregnancy is a normal and natural state of the female body, not a disease.
 
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i am surprised at the fact that none of the websites TC has linked to above have legal notices trying to absolve themselves of legal responsibility for giving unsolicited medical advice.

when medical doctors are being warning that even answering emails can create legal liability:

from: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1761858

i am surprised that laypeople are treading where the professionals and those with a great deal more knowledge and understanding are reluctant to go.

it appears that the websites are offering medical advice without the legal disclaimers that you see everywhere else:
http://www.marchex.com/aboutus/terms-of-use-mdnh.html

i wonder what the legal liability is for either the poster of these links or even CF for faciliting such ****

due to the problem of persistency on the net, it is possible that people can google into this discussion 10 years from now, when the laws and social customs catch up to the dynamical changing technology we are using here.

it is one thing to link to these sites.
another to continue to do so and to defend it as a good and godly thing to do, when consistently warned by mulitiple people that this is an unwise thing to be doing.

i would suggest to TC that she google:
giving medical advice laws United States and her local state
to see what kinds of liability can be formed by inappropriate words.
 
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So you don't care that millions of people are chemically and surgically castrating themselves?

What I'm saying is it isn't any of our business. They are adults it's between them and their partners not me and them.
tulc(just my thought)
 
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So what is the wife, just a utility for sex and babies?

If it had been up to my father to be the spiritual leader, we would all have been lost.
 
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Please, if you've never researched this issue and are just going along with what you've been told your whole life, examine it now.http://
As a woman I've dealt directly with contraceptive issues. That site is inflamatory on purpose.
Because there are risks associated with hormonal birth control (pills, patches, rings, etc.) CAN'T be used as an argument against allowing women to use them. If they choose to take the risk that should be their right.
There are also MANY forms of birth control that simply block the sperm from getting to the egg. These are much safer, if not quite as effective.
 
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So what is the wife, just a utility for sex and babies?

If it had been up to my father to be the spiritual leader, we would all have been lost.
Isn't that what birth control makes her? The woman poisons her bodies, aborts her children or has her reproductive organs sliced up so the man can get sexual gratification without the responsibility of a blessed child. Not sure what the second sentence is supposed to mean in relation to the subject.

If we are truly talking about 'informed adults' then they know all this and shouldn't take offense at the truth. But many people just use contraceptives because it's what society says to do. I call that intellectual rationalization of sin.
 
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There's an invention called a condom.
 
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