9th February 2003 at 02:06 AM nolfsybbr said this in Post #1 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=641461#post641461)
i know that when people are born they are born with a sin nature... which means people are born and immediatly deserve to goto hell because of their sin nature... how then, can is birth such a good, holy, blessed, whatever, if as soon as you are born u already have sin?
1. God allows people to be born (or not to be born) because he was the one that created us, who knit us together in out mother's womb
2. People are born with sin, it's our nature
3. God's judgement for sin is death...
to me this sounds like Gods plan for people being born is a bit sadistic... if all it is is people that he is creating are being born and deserve to die... IMO that seems sadistic
Well, first let's examine what happens at birth in the first place. Man cooperates with God in the creation of another human being (hence PROcreation) (Pro=with).
When a person is conceived, the physical persons of husband and wife are joined and God creates a soul to reside in the body. However, that physical body is "inherited" so to speak from the parents. This is explained in scriptures in the analogy of the body of Christ. If one member suffers, the whole body suffers. If one member is glorified, the entire body is glorified. Well, as members of humanity we are all members of the mystical body of Christ. This is why the sins of one ALWAYS effect others. Even when these effects are not immediately apparent. We are all indelibly linked to one another. However, one must step back to the creation to again witness the creation of man and see his true nature. God as we know created man that he might share in God's own blessed existence. He wasn't bored or lonely. His perfect love demanded to be shared. However, in this fact, we see that God creates man in his own image. Man is at that point perfect and without sin. (of course, the fall of the angel of light [Lucifer] had already occurred). Of course we know the story of Eve falling to the temptation of the enemy. well, this fall is not separate from you and I. We inherited our bodies indirectly from her and Adam. Of course God in his mercy provides us with salvation (or a way to be salvaged from sin and death)
However, human nature is not actually sinful. It's the sins of man which effect each other. However, Baptism cleanses the stain of sin. (Hence being Born again)
As for God's judgement for sin being death, it's quite deep. why is the wage of sin death.. isn't that extreme? why not a spanking or a "time out" well, let's investigate...
Well, we know that God created man for one reason. So that man might share in God's own perfect existence. Well, it's obvious that when man takes this life which God gave us, and uses it for causes contrary to God's will, the life is due back to God. God's perfect divine justice demands that this debt be paid. However, God's perfect divine love seeks to forgive... this presents the "divine delema". Well, what does God do? He pays the debt himself!! This is the salvation brought to us through Jesus Christ. Jesus was necessarily God because he had to have the authority to actually bear the sin of the world. He was also necessarily man because he had to be one of us to truly be a member of the body of Christ. But in a nut shell, this is the theological reason that "the wages of sin is death" and the theological reason that Jesus had to come and die for us in the first place. As scripture explains it is God's will that all men be saved. Our God is not sadistic. His love is flawless and his justice is too.
) to question why you did so? Of course not. However, that is exactly what many Christians do. Then, if you restored one of those pots to an unbroken state would the broken pot be justified in asking why? It was your pleasure to do so, just as it is God's pleasure to pick out a people for His Son, restore them, and conform them to the image of His Son. One of the reasons God does not restore all of us is so that when you, as a saved person, see the depravation of the fallen world you will better understand the unmerited favor that you have received. 
