Bikini on the Beach

HisW0rd · Dec 25, 2010

If the USA wasn't so uptight about how these women dress, I would do the same.

Paulie079 · Dec 25, 2010

I would add to what I said before that there's nothing wrong with NOT wearing a bikini And while you can't judge someone's faith based on what type of swimsuit they wear, I most definitely respect women that wear swimsuits that cover themselves up more than the average bikini does.

ImperialPhantom · Dec 25, 2010

A bikini, tankini, one piece, etc. All of them are tight and revealing compared to regular clothes, but at the pool or the beach, where every girl wears one or the other, they stop being shocking and/or uber revealing and simply become the norm. It's not ungodly or anti-Christian to wear either a bikini or a one piece.

Im_A · Dec 25, 2010

Paulie079 said:
I would add to what I said before that there's nothing wrong with NOT wearing a bikini And while you can't judge someone's faith based on what type of swimsuit they wear, I most definitely respect women that wear swimsuits that cover themselves up more than the average bikini does.

I would respect those women that choose to not wear swimsuits, or choose to wear more to cover up...if they weren't judgmental and condescending to other females of a belief system who don't agree with them.

There's nothing to respect with burqa enthusiasts who think everyone else has to cover their body like they do.

ivan872007 · Dec 25, 2010

I thinks its okay. I mean what is wrong about wearing a bikini?? its like telling guys they cant take their shirts off at the beach.

Im_A · Dec 25, 2010

ivan872007 said:
I thinks its okay. I mean what is wrong about wearing a bikini?? its like telling guys they cant take their shirts off at the beach.

Precisely.

So I would have to wager that now...us men have to watch showing off our wonderful nipples in public. Better be sure they are loose enough because the bulge may lead someone to bad thoughts. Are the shorts long enough because shorter shorts show off more leg.

I mean seriously...where is the line drawn for people who think they are in control of everyone else's ethical life that they have to cover everything up for hypothetical possibilities?

ivan872007 · Dec 25, 2010

Im_A said:
Precisely.

So I would have to wager that now...us men have to watch showing off our wonderful nipples in public. Better be sure they are loose enough because the bulge may lead someone to bad thoughts. Are the shorts long enough because shorter shorts show off more leg.

I mean seriously...where is the line drawn for people who think they are in control of everyone else's ethical life that they have to cover everything up for hypothetical possibilities?

LOL at the bulge part. But yeah we should all be concerned about ourselves first. If you dont want to wear a bikini great but dont judge other people for doing it. As for speedos.... thats a whole nother level. lol

Paulie079 · Dec 25, 2010

Im_A said:
I would respect those women that choose to not wear swimsuits, or choose to wear more to cover up...if they weren't judgmental and condescending to other females of a belief system who don't agree with them.

There's nothing to respect with burqa enthusiasts who think everyone else has to cover their body like they do.

I guess the women that I've known who cover up a bit more don't lord it over anyone else...

Paulie079 · Dec 25, 2010

Im_A said:
Precisely.

So I would have to wager that now...us men have to watch showing off our wonderful nipples in public. Better be sure they are loose enough because the bulge may lead someone to bad thoughts. Are the shorts long enough because shorter shorts show off more leg.

I mean seriously...where is the line drawn for people who think they are in control of everyone else's ethical life that they have to cover everything up for hypothetical possibilities?

EDIT: Debating this is futile...

Balugon · Dec 25, 2010

I hope I haven't answered here before. Sometimes these things get bumped. But...

I've been to a nudist park with nude women around my age walking around and playing volleyball with me, and it wasn't any worse than going to a clothed beach. Modesty is something people made up by continually telling people the body was a sex object, and so they said it needed covered, and so never having normal everyday experiences with people of the opposite sex in the nude, people's minds were conditioned to react to bodies in sexual ways because that's what they were told over and over it was supposed to be, just like some people's parents train their kids to be afraid of dogs or spiders. And it can be unlearned just like it is learned. Once you've seen like a hundred or more just carrying on life, it starts to become like every other body part "Oh, another one. What about it?"

Im_A · Dec 25, 2010

Paulie079 said:
EDIT: Debating this is futile...

Most of the time it is...especially on an internet forum, we never talk with each other, but at each other(not meaning you in particular but in general). The only time it really isn't futile is either in person or via the telephone.

We are only here talking about our own views...so most debates with me are going to be utterly futile. I just continue the trend because I don't feel like being the 'better person' in the midst of it all.

Paulie079 · Dec 26, 2010

You definitely add a lot of really good and positive things to the threads people post. Some people post but don't really add a whole lot to the conversation. If anything they just derail it (I suppose I might be one of those people right now ) I think it's mainly just that we have two different worldviews and that's going to change a lot about what we think on subjects like this so there's no point in debating something that you're not going to agree with based on your worldview.

HisW0rd · Dec 26, 2010

Im_A said:
I would respect those women that choose to not wear swimsuits, or choose to wear more to cover up...if they weren't judgmental and condescending to other females of a belief system who don't agree with them.

There's nothing to respect with burqa enthusiasts who think everyone else has to cover their body like they do.

no one is judging anyone faith. I just happen to know this person personally. She has a lusting problem, she has a hard time not sleeping with the men she meets, so that is why I figure it wouldn't be wise to add more fuel to the fire. Clothes have that kind of power you know. Plus no one in our family wants to see that..

MacFall · Dec 26, 2010

Balugon said:
I hope I haven't answered here before. Sometimes these things get bumped. But...

I've been to a nudist park with nude women around my age walking around and playing volleyball with me, and it wasn't any worse than going to a clothed beach. Modesty is something people made up by continually telling people the body was a sex object, and so they said it needed covered, and so never having normal everyday experiences with people of the opposite sex in the nude, people's minds were conditioned to react to bodies in sexual ways because that's what they were told over and over it was supposed to be, just like some people's parents train their kids to be afraid of dogs or spiders. And it can be unlearned just like it is learned. Once you've seen like a hundred or more just carrying on life, it starts to become like every other body part "Oh, another one. What about it?"

The problem is that the normal Christian attitude seems to be both that those body parts SHOULD be special and placed on a pedestal, and at the same time, that it is naughty to give them any special attention. But the first attitude encourages people to treat nudity as if it is always sexual, and to obsess over "private parts" like an addiction, thereby encouraging the very thing the second attitude opposes. And not only do people refuse to believe that they can stop sexualizing nudity, they also cry "heresy" when anyone else says that they can or have done.

Niels · Dec 26, 2010

Context is important. Appropriateness is largely situational. A bikini is appropriate attire at the beach, but it is not appropriate attire at a typical office. Of course, one's reaction is also important. If you personally can't deal with the fact that some women wear bikinis at the beach, then the beach probably isn't where you should be.

Marycita · Dec 26, 2010

blind post..

my two cents...

I don't think bikinis are appropriate. As women after God's own heart, we are to be thinking of others before ourselves. That includes what we wear on the beach in the presence of guys. No, we aren't responsible for what they think or what they do in reaction to it...but God doesn't tempt them or put stumbling blocks in their way and we shouldn't even think about doing it either.

I don't buy into this idea that because each individual is responsible, ultimately, for his/her own actions, that we as fellow people (especially Christ following people) don't have a responsibility to protect them from temptation when it's in our power to do so.

Nomarga · Dec 26, 2010

HisW0rd said:
I actually admire those women honestly, I met a lady like this and I asked her what led her to this and to my surprise it had nothing to do with men.

Of course it doesn't. If all the women were told that this style really had to do with men enforcing ridiculous dress codes on their women chattel instead of being more "pure and holy for Allah" or whatever they tell them, no one would wear it.

Beauty4Ashes · Dec 26, 2010

I prefer tankinis, sometimes a one piece. Though really, anything will stick to your skin when it's wet, so it's hard to draw the line with modesty when it comes to swimwear. I think bikinis on a christian retreat, with teenagers OR young adults is inappropriate. I remember going to some when I was younger and being appalled that a few girls were wearing bikinis and watching all the boys staring at them. It seems like a bad environment. However to go to a regular beach, I don't think its such a big deal as you won't be standing out from the crowd and most of the people probably don't care. So for me, it's all about context.

If I was in a little better shape, I might try wearing a bikini, but probably more just around my husband or in the water and cover it with shorts when on the beach or walking around.

Obzocky · Dec 26, 2010

Nomarga · Dec 26, 2010

Curwhibble said:
Quite a few are told that and are given the freedom to decide what to wear, yet some of them make the personal decision to wear it as they feel uncomfortable wearing anything else. Some dislike being viewed and judged by what people can see, preferring the rather frequent and sadly unoriginal judgements based off of the burqa, which unfortunately is all some people see. It used to be rather freeing for some women within particular cultures, allowing them the freedom of movement among others without disobeying cultural traditions, but things change, perceptions change, etc. What was once used to protect puny human flesh from sandstorms and whatnot became something else. What was once a sign of respectability and allowed relative freedom from the restrictions of certain things became an enforcement that stripped certain things from women, it was a minority that started it, but that's all it takes. You only need perceptions to change within one to two generations for everything to start looking very different.

I'm sure there are some women who really feel it is "freeing," despite the repression it (now) seems to suggest. However, in my chats with burqa-wearing women at my university, their approval of such dress feels more "Stockholm Syndrome-ish" than anything else.

I suspect the strong distaste for such dress wouldn't exist if some Islamic countries didn't force such things on women on penalty of lashings or worse.

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