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Biden's Chances Continue To get Smaller

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All of the following will count against Biden. These do not mean that Biden or Harris can't win. It is just getting harder. IMO, next week folks need to convince biden to drop out and see what can still be saved by Harris (hopefully the House and 42% of the Senate)

1) all the recent court decisions

2) Biden's behind the scenes meetings with donors before the debate

3) The debate

4) the interview after the debate where Biden didn't know whether he had watched the debate. He also insisted that the election was all about him, and that he wouldn't drop out unless folks told him that he had no chance to win.

5) Trump's conduct during and after the debate (he just stood there and let Biden self-destruct, and then went home for a week)

4) the assassination attempt

5) Trump and his wife's speeches the night of the attempt

6) the choosing of Vance as his running mate (39 years old, born in poverty, a summa cum laude from Yale law school, a veteran, and a fine campaigner)
 
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Agreed. As a centrist, I want to see some new candidates from both sides, but all these recent events mean that Trump is getting stronger. I do not want Trump, nor do I want Biden, though the latter seems somewhat better (if only he dropped his woke stuff).
 
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Both Trump and Biden use language meant just to please the base. The "woke stuff" is an example for Biden. Trump comments on HIS media outlets regarding the assassination attempt is an example of his language not meant for prime time.

Biden is a much better choice for president. However, I also did not want to see either of them run. An open primary in both parties might have produced much better candidates. Of course, that is a very low bar.
 
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Yeah, Biden is better, but if he is Catholic, he might want to be a bit more pro-life. Trump's stuff is worse.

Can we get Peter Sonski on the ballots? Yes, I talk about him a lot, cos @chevyontheriver introduced me to the American Solidarity Party, a centrist party that is anti-woke, but is pro-environment and pro-life from womb to tomb.
 
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Mayzoo said:
Vance, at the age of 39, is a bit young to be president IMHO, but he could be on track to be the youngest US president.
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Teddy Roosevelt was 42 when he assumed office, so Vance could beat this if trump stepped down early enough.

If Vance were elected in 2028, I think that he would be 2nd to JFK as the youngest elected president.
 
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mark46 said:
Teddy Roosevelt was 42 when he assumed office, so Vance could beat this if trump stepped down early enough.

If Vance were elected in 20238, I think that he would be 2nd to JFK as the youngest elected president.
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We need more young candidates, and we need some young presidents. Someone born after 1950 at the very oldest. Technically, the youngest valid presidential candidate could be born in 1989.
 
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It's that vs a man who's battling senility and a VP who's a scatterbrain. Another Trump vs Biden debate, and a Vance vs Harris debate, should make it perfectly clear which team is better equipped to run the country. Especially in the event of an unexpected national emergency.
 
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I think both the fallout from the debate and the bump in Trump's popularity from the attempt on his life will both fade significantly by the time November gets here. And as for Vance, honestly think it might have been one of the worst choices he could have made. Vance was a never-Trumper, but since he ran for the Senate he's been one of his strongest supporters and surrogates. So there is no ideological diversity in the ticket. He's a straight white man, so there is no demographic diversity besides his age. He has even less political experience than Trump, so he won't have the reassuring effect that Pence did. He does have the fact that he's a veteran, which is unique to him in both tickets. But I'm not sure how much additional support that would buy him. And he's from Ohio, a state that has steadily been getting redder and redder. So he doesn't even have the benefits of bringing his state with him. And as for him being a fine campaigner, he only won by 6 points when he ran for senate. In every other statewide race in Ohio that election the Republican won by at least 17 points. Of course, this is going to be a fight anyway, but I don't see fence sitters being any more likely to vote for Trump today than last week.
 
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The voters don't care about these court decisions. (I assume you mean the trump related ones like Judge Cannon's dismissal of the stolen secrets case. If you mean the SC decisions, they certainly will if informed and it won't help Trump.
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2) Biden's behind the scenes meetings with donors before the debate
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What's that got to do with how voters will vote?
Trump spent his time gaslighting and gish galloping. The only reason that isn't what we were talking about after the debate was that Biden was sluggish for part of it.
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4) the assassination attempt
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why would an attempted assassination affect anyone's opinion for or against Trump or Biden. The issues and risks are still the same as are the candidates.
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5) Trump and his wife's speeches the night of the attempt
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What speech?
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6) the choosing of Vance as his running mate (39 years old, born in poverty, a summa cum laude from Yale law school, a veteran, and a fine campaigner)
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Who has apparently also changed his opinion about Hitler.
 
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mark46 said:
Teddy Roosevelt was 42 when he assumed office, so Vance could beat this if trump stepped down early enough.

If Vance were elected in 20238, I think that he would be 2nd to JFK as the youngest elected president.
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If Vance runs in 20238 I will consider voting for his brain in a jar from my jar.
 
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