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Biden Secretary of Education implicated in comparing parents to domestic terrorists

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FYI the New York Post deliberately favors extremely conservative lies over politically neutral facts anytime it catches a pro-Republican or anti-Democrat story to "report." For real political news, check out the AP or Reuters, which only exist to provide completely neutral information and are nonprofit organizations.
 
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FYI the New York Post deliberately favors extremely conservative lies over politically neutral facts anytime it catches a pro-Republican or anti-Democrat story to "report." For real political news, check out the AP or Reuters, which only exist to provide completely neutral information and are nonprofit organizations.
I'm guessing you couldn't find any incorrect statements in the story. I've actually worked with an AP bureau chief on quite a long story upon the request of an elderly woman. It was interesting that the guy left out what I considered was the most crucial point of the story--not even a one sentence mention in a long story. But that point would have changed the narrative, the woman had said ahead of time that she expected it to be a "sob story," but it would not have killed him to put in a critical fact. I asked him (over the telephone) why he left it out of the story---a long dead silence. The woman later asked him and he said his boss would only let him put in so much.
The problem is that there is no mechanism on a national basis to get the media to make a correction. Police forces have their own internal affairs departments and outside oversight groups. There are "fact checkers" but so many are quite biased and inaccurate. There is only one state that has a board made up of rotating journalists that allow for a complaint about accuracy to be heard. Nothing on the national level, despite calls over decades. I know how poorly the major media covers stories, I have dealt with them for many years. I can recall just one occasion when I gave a little lecture to a reporter. The reporter called for comments. I gave him a source (with important background information) and he called back days later. I asked if he had checked with the source and he had never bothered. They so often have their own narrative before covering a story.
 
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Showing up at school boards and exercising free speech is one thing. Making threats of violence against school board members is a very different thing. The latter is what is being addressed and does bear comparison to domestic terrorism.
 
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Showing up at school boards and exercising free speech is one thing. Making threats of violence against school board members is a very different thing. The latter is what is being addressed and does bear comparison to domestic terrorism.
Oh that's the line. The parent whose daughter was raped and the school board denied it did struggle with the police, and there have been some other threats as there are with many strongly debated issues. The violent ones at school board meetings are easily been handled by the local police. No violence is acceptable. But there are bullies and thugs who wish to shut down the freedom of speech of parents who speak out against the child pornography, anti-police teachings, and racism (such as CRT) being taught to our children in schools. These people far outnumber the individual cases of violence against school board members, as do the BLM and Antifa members who have committed violent acts. Yes, I know they call them "mostly peaceful protests" but if you are serious about dealing with crime you have to go after the major perpetrators. The teachers association apologized, and now it appears that there could have been pressure from the Biden administration.
 
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Oh that's the line. The parent whose daughter was raped and the school board denied it did struggle with the police, and there have been some other threats as there are with many strongly debated issues. The violent ones at school board meetings are easily been handled by the local police. No violence is acceptable. But there are bullies and thugs who wish to shut down the freedom of speech of parents who speak out against the child pornography, anti-police teachings, and racism (such as CRT) being taught to our children in schools. These people far outnumber the individual cases of violence against school board members, as do the BLM and Antifa members who have committed violent acts. Yes, I know they call them "mostly peaceful protests" but if you are serious about dealing with crime you have to go after the major perpetrators. The teachers association apologized, and now it appears that there could have been pressure from the Biden administration.

So, did you have that retraction holstered or did you just find it now?

I thought we were talking about one thing, and now you've brought in a plethora of other subjects outside the scope of this discussion. These other topics do not change the fact that school boards are being threatened based on political hyperbole.
 
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There are more murders in Chicago in one day under Democratic leadership than there are threats to school boards. It is political hyperbole that is being used against parents. Parents are going to continue to speak out against pornography and racism being imposed on their children, and the citizens of this nation have had enough of the bullying. It is looking more and more like the Biden administration orchestrated the situation, I suggest they take a step back and leave the parents alone.
 
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There are more murders in Chicago in one day under Democratic leadership than there are threats to school boards. It is political hyperbole that is being used against parents. Parents are going to continue to speak out against pornography and racism being imposed on their children, and the citizens of this nation have had enough of the bullying. It is looking more and more like the Biden administration orchestrated the situation, I suggest they take a step back and leave the parents alone.

And more deflection. Racism and pornography? Talk about hyperbole. Parents were worked up by politicians about public health regulations and truthful history and they decided to threaten public officials. Then they got investigated for it, cause that's what law enforcement does. It would be great if politicians left parents alone, but I doubt we agree about which ones need to do so.
 
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And more deflection. Racism and pornography? Talk about hyperbole. Parents were worked up by politicians about public health regulations and truthful history and they decided to threaten public officials. Then they got investigated for it, cause that's what law enforcement does. It would be great if politicians left parents alone, but I doubt we agree about which ones need to do so.

A New York mother slammed critical race theory during a recent Carmel Central school district meeting between parents and faculty. “Why cant we let the public know that you're teaching our children to go out and murder our police officers,” said Tatiana Ibrahim . . .

New York mother rips proponents of critical race theory: ‘They’re the racists’ | The Daily Cable Co
 
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A newly released email indicates Education Secretary Miguel Cardona solicited last September’s letter from the National School Boards Association which compared parents protesting at school board meetings to domestic terrorists.

Perhaps he was referring to those parents who waylaid and threatened school board members after a meeting, in which they screamed "we know where you live!"

That fits the domestic terrorist definition.

(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that— (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States;
Definition: domestic terrorism from 18 USC § 2331(5) | LII / Legal Information Institute

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Perhaps he was referring to those parents who waylaid and threatened school board members after a meeting, in which they screamed "we know where you live!"

That fits the domestic terrorist definition.

(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that— (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States;
Definition: domestic terrorism from 18 USC § 2331(5) | LII / Legal Information Institute

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The bullying by the federal government has to stop. As the Biden administration said, their goal is "compliance." The parents who speak out against the pedophilia and racism taught in our schools are not the enemy. The terrorists are those who commit the violent crimes, the car jackings, the assaults. Those in the federal government who violate the rights of U.S. citizens, through intimidation or physical force, will be held accountable.
 
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Perhaps he was referring to those parents who waylaid and threatened school board members after a meeting, in which they screamed "we know where you live!"

That fits the domestic terrorist definition.

(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that— (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States;
Definition: domestic terrorism from 18 USC § 2331(5) | LII / Legal Information Institute

The bullying by the federal government has to stop.

These thugs are not from the federal government. They are usually anti-government activists who are bullying and threatening officials to impose their own agenda.

The terrorists are those who commit the violent crimes, the car jackings, the assaults.

See above. "We know where you live" is also domestic terrorism. The threat of violence is the major terrorist weapon. Some have gone beyond threats, but the threats are sufficient to qualify.

(B) appear to be intended— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion;
 
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A newly released email indicates Education Secretary Miguel Cardona solicited last September’s letter from the National School Boards Association which compared parents protesting at school board meetings to domestic terrorists.

Miguel Cardona asked for school board 'domestic terror' letter
It's outrageous, that's true, but it's not confined to this guy. The president tried to sell his own version of that accusation in his most recent speech to the nation. Now we are supposed to believe that not just those parents but 70,000,000+ Americans are "domestic terrorists" because they voted in last year's election!
 
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Perhaps he was referring to those parents who waylaid and threatened school board members after a meeting, in which they screamed "we know where you live!"

That fits the domestic terrorist definition.

(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that— (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States;
Definition: domestic terrorism from 18 USC § 2331(5) | LII / Legal Information Institute

It's outrageous, that's true, but it's not confined to this guy. The president tried to sell his own version of that accusation in his most recent speech to the nation. Now we are supposed to believe that not just those parents but 70,000,000+ Americans are "domestic terrorists" because they voted in last year's election!

I'm guessing there's a good reason you didn't post the actual quote in context. And I'm pretty sure we all know what it is.

Regardless, threatening school board members for not complying with one's agenda, is the precise definition of domestic terrorism. Granted, most of it is probably only meant to terrorize, not to physically harm. The law considers both to be terrorism.
 
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There are more murders in Chicago in one day under Democratic leadership than there are threats to school boards.
SO just how many school board members need to have their lives threatened. need to have bullets shot at their homes, need to have detailed letters describing how their children need to be raped before such actions become wrong? What is the magic number?
 
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SO just how many school board members need to have their lives threatened. need to have bullets shot at their homes, need to have detailed letters describing how their children need to be raped before such actions become wrong? What is the magic number?
How many remarks given during the time that's aside in School Board meetings for Board members to receive comments and questions from the public should be allowed before a speaker is classified as a domestic terrorist??
 
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