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Yes, we pick the tribes that we pick and defend “our side” come heck-or-high-water; but only the wise know when they’re actually arguing principle and not just “spouting the party line”.Yes but here's the thing that concerns me. Many have the word Christian on their file here and I'm not saying they're not.....but oh how people absolutely think they've got everything all figured out about someone's character not considering what they're basing their view on could be the hatred of others and how its skewed information or fragmented by people who have an agenda.
And we KNOW that's what they're wanting to do....no speculation there. Now how absolutely amazing that an individual can't even have an opinion that could be wrong. And there could be evidence that she's right....that in her case it did help her. THEY DON'T know for a fact that it didn't. And if she sincerely believes it did than what was she supposed to do? Shut up about it?
I think her speaking forth demonstrated she understands what it is to be civilized. If everything in her mind was telling her the drug in question was a game changer how could she live with herself in not wanting it known...AT LEAST her story. People with conscious would feel crushed with guilt not telling their story. Maybe people without it would rather let people die?
An election where the fate of the country for the next 4 decades isn't the time to play games, your not voting for trump or biden, your voting who gets to decide to replace ruth bader ginsberg, plus possibly 1-2 others, your vote against biden is a vote for trump and even more screwing up the US supreme court and making sure woman and gays have no rights for the next 4-5 decades. Everyone that didn't vote for hilary, but supports LGBT owes them a apology.
My question is where is the #MeToo movement on this. The stark difference in reaction between Kavanaugh and Biden is amazing. By this time in the accusations about Kavanaugh, he had to hire full time security for him and his family, he was being protested almost on stop and it was part of the nightly news on an hourly basis. Biden? nothing that I am seeing
Why?
Judges cannot bring cases - attorney's do. In October, the conservative will have had the majority in the court for two years. Has there been a case yet?
I have heard about justices every election since I was of voting age. Every election is important. Judges may have some agenda, but they still have to come up with some type of legal justification for what they are doing.
The establishment in the two parties agree on a system that promotes endless war. And I would rather put my vote behind a party that does not support that, rather than worry about which of the two war parties win.
Personally I wouldn’t have run Biden as the nominee in a million years for this and numerous other reasons, but the Republicans have lined up behind a man who is far, far worse, and accused of much more serious sexual offenses.
so your going to vote for trump, good job and no thats not ignoring what you said, any vote not for biden is a vote for trump, thats why he won last time, Your indignation about how the system works means NOTHING to the LGBT
Currently I think the progressives are the most likely to split. Because the party is not on board with their ideas. If you continually vote for a party that doesn't represent your views, then it doesn't matter whether that party wins. It still doesn't represent your views.
If you never start a party that does have your views, you never have a chance for your views to be represented.
But I am not sure it would wind up being as much about left and right as we think. There is strong anti-establishment sentiment on both sides of the aisle right now, that may have more in common than we imagine.
I agree that the progressives would be the more likely to split, but the baggage of the current Democratic Party is going to hang heavy around the necks of whoever retains the name. If there was a new centrist party then I’m sure a lot of moderate Republicans would be interested, but would that still be true if it was still branded as the Democratic Party? I think probably not, even though there’s not much progressive about the Democratic centre. Neither Clinton or Biden are progressives, both were only forced towards progressive policies by the demands of the left. Remove that and you have people who aren’t that distinguishable from moderate Republicans. Pro-big business, not that worried about welfare, friendly with the pharmaceutical, military and financial companies etc.
I think the biggest issue though is simply bravery. To split basically means handing at least one election to the Republicans. It’s not realistic to think that a single cycle would be enough time to rebalance the numbers three ways instead of two, and whoever splits will be furiously blamed for the following electoral loss.
I'm not saying it in a knee-jerk way. In the Kavanaugh case, Dr. Ford's story did not change. What did change was that she came forward, first anonymously, then by name; the details remained consistent and there was evidence that she had spoken of it to people years before. In this case, Tara Reade has changed her allegations - first she said she had been fired from his office for refusing to serve drinks; several years later, she accused him of "unwanted touching" (which was widely believed without further questions); her mother said Tara Reade didn't go public "out of respect" for him (which could be true, girls are often stupid); only this year did her account include digital rape. If it's true, then, of course, it is disgusting of Biden - but at the moment, it remains his word against her changing word.I’m sorry to see you use this.
It looks verbatim to what I saw during the Kavanaugh hearings.
Her story wasn't demolished, ... she simply had not enough evidence to adequately substantiate it.No, I think you are right about that. On the other hand, she had it demolished by the facts that came out, even while she was sticking to her story.
Of what war do you speak ?
Trump would try to convince us it's not what we think.Trump doesn't want war.
Biden forgot what it is.
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I would argue that the progressives need to immediately support the green party which agrees with most of their views, and is already on the ballot. They could do it this time around, and if they speak out enough, might get quite a few to follow.
If they put Tulsi or Yang on the ballot, you might see some from both sides of the non-establishment involved. However, the Democratic party was careful to make everyone swear to non-third party runs. So it is unlikely.
Why would they even consider it this cycle? It would automatically just hand Trump a second term, and no matter how much the centrist Dems don’t match progressive ideals, they’re still a million times closer than Trump is.
"Always the next cycle" is what has gotten us to this point. And the messaging has not been working anyway.
Here's How Many Bernie Sanders Supporters Ultimately Voted For Trump
Fully 12 percent of people who voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., in the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries voted for President Trump in the general election.
I expect it to be higher this time.
Yang, Sanders supporters least likely to support any other Democratic presidential nominee, poll says
MSNBC pundits and Democrats questioned party unity Saturday in response to a recent poll that revealed only about half of Andrew Yang and Bernie Sanders' supporters would back any other Democratic presidential nominee.
A more recent example:
Vote for Biden? Sanders Supporters Say It’s ‘Up in the Air’
In interviews with two dozen Sanders primary voters across the country this week, there was a nearly universal lack of enthusiasm for Mr. Biden, the presumptive Democratic nominee. Some called him a less formidable candidate than Hillary Clinton was in 2016. Many were skeptical of his ability to beat Mr. Trump. Others were quick to critique Mr. Biden’s sometimes incoherent speech.
In a poll last month, four out of five Sanders supporters said they would vote for Mr. Biden, with 15 percent saying they would cross over to Mr. Trump, about the same share that did so in 2016.
Some Sanders primary voters said they would back a third-party candidate, a few said they would vote for Mr. Trump, and some were wavering about voting at all. Daniel Ray, 27, of Lancaster, Penn., planned to write in Tulsi Gabbard, the congresswoman from Hawaii who ended her long-shot bid for the Democratic nomination last month.
You’re completely right that it’s ‘always the next cycle’ but if they’re ever going to do it for real it’s going to take years of hard work and vast amounts of money. They can’t just throw someone in with a few months to go and hope for anything other than total defeat.
Yes, and that is what some were arguing for a while. But then other progressives thought after Bernie started talking about more of their ideas last time, they would give the Democratic party one more chance to reform.
Much of the problem is down ballot and it’s a chicken and egg problem. No-one going to elect a president for a party that doesn’t have major congressional representation (and if they did that president would be virtually powerless), and without a major presidential run winning enough seats nationally in a system that is set up to favor only the two existing parties is going to be outrageously hard.
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