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Biden delivers divisive speech, attacks Trump, 'MAGA Republicans,' warns of delays in coun

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You can always look up the source. 6:38 onwards if you're too lazy to listen from the start.
Actually it's way past my bedtime, so if you don't mind I'll leave any response until morning. :sleep:
 
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You can always look up the source. 6:38 onwards..
I started at 6:38 and listened through 11 minutes or so, when does the divisive part start? All i heard was a recount of facts concerning the action/behavior of the former president and his most ardent followers, with the repeated disclaimer that it was a minority in the party as a whole.

fwiw, the divisivness that my circle of influence encountered happened well before the 2020 election and Biden. It started around 2015 or so..
 
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I started at 6:38 and listened through 11 minutes or so, when does the divisive part start? All i heard was a recount of facts concerning the action/behavior of the former president and his most ardent followers, with the repeated disclaimer that it was a minority in the party as a whole.

fwiw, the divisivness that my circle of influence encountered happened well before the 2020 election and Biden. It started around 2015 or so..

I'm not saying it is divisive or not. I'll only pointing out that the source of the speech can be easily searched. People can read the article and match up on which section of the video.

And I disagree that anyone should be questioned on a public forum if they are fake Chinese bots and it is anyone job to gatekeep what truth is.

Poeple should be allowed to view and make their own decisions.

Edit: ps I dislike both the donkey and elephant.
 
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I started at 6:38 and listened through 11 minutes or so, when does the divisive part start? All i heard was a recount of facts concerning the action/behavior of the former president and his most ardent followers, with the repeated disclaimer that it was a minority in the party as a whole.

fwiw, the divisivness that my circle of influence encountered happened well before the 2020 election and Biden. It started around 2015 or so..

Didn't you know that calling out a former leader (and his enablers) for his actions is "divisive."
 
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It's a sad time in our nation's history when so many Americans dishonor one of the basic values of any democracy: Accept defeat at the ballot box.

A majority of Republican nominees on the ballot this November for the House, Senate and key statewide offices — 291 in all — have denied or questioned the outcome of the last presidential election, according to a Washington Post analysis.

Candidates who have challenged or refused to accept Joe Biden’s victory — 51 percent of the 569 analyzed by The Washington Post — are running in every region of the country and in nearly every state. Republican voters in two states nominated election deniers in all federal and statewide races The Post examined.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ns-2022/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
 
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Didn't you know that calling out a former leader (and his enablers) for his actions is "divisive."
It seems somehow supposedly this isn't supposed to include the tens of millions who voted for Trump, but of course it does by default. And really I think ultamtely ends up being anyone who's not pro-Biden and pro-democrat as an Enemy of Democracy.
 
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It seems somehow supposedly this isn't supposed to include the tens of millions who voted for Trump, but of course it does by default. And really I think ultamtely ends up being anyone who's not pro-Biden and pro-democrat as an Enemy of Democracy.

From my perspective, anyone who voted for election denying candidates are undermining the foundations of democracy. <edit> It's much bigger than Joe Biden or party. If Americans no longer honor election results, our democracy is over.
 
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From my perspective, anyone who voted for election denying candidates are undermining the foundations of democracy. <edit> It's much bigger than Joe Biden or party. If Americans no longer honor election results, our democracy is over.
In that case it was over in 2016.

2016 riots - Google Search
 
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Probably on edge over how the midterms are looking to turn out, and the whole demo lefto wokeo platform on the verge of total collapse.
Up until Trump came along I would've counted myself as a lifelong conservative, although I've never actually voted. I'm not a fan of politics in general. I've never liked Pelosi, or AOC, or a fair number of seemingly self-righteous Democrats, but the same holds true for Republicans.

One thing that you're right about is my concern about how the midterms are looking to turn out, because I'm worried that once again the pollsters are getting it totally wrong. That they're underestimating how the decision on Roe v. Wade is influencing voters. What I'm worried about is that with all this talk about how bad it's looking for the Democrats that they'll actually come out the winners on election night. Because if that happens then the outrage and violence among election deniers may well threaten our very democracy.

It's a sad state of affairs when I may have to go to sleep on election night worried about the very existence of our country, not because of what the Republicans will do if they win, but what their followers will do if they don't.

That very fact should frighten you, what will happen if the Republicans lose? And are those the people that you actually want to be supporting?
 
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Up until Trump came along I would've counted myself as a lifelong conservative, although I've never actually voted. I'm not a fan of politics in general. I've never liked Pelosi, or AOC, or a fair number of seemingly self-righteous Democrats, but the same holds true for Republicans.

One thing that you're right about is my concern about how the midterms are looking to turn out, because I'm worried that once again the pollsters are getting it totally wrong. That they're underestimating how the decision on Roe v. Wade is influencing voters. What I'm worried about is that with all this talk about how bad it's looking for the Democrats that they'll actually come out the winners on election night. Because if that happens then the outrage and hatred among election deniers may well threaten the very democracy.

It's a sad state of affairs when I may have to go to sleep on election night worried about the very existence of our country, not because of what the Republicans will do if they win, but what their followers will do if they don't.
If the Democrats actually swept both houses, and I'm very seriously making this statement, we would not have much of a country left. Now I deal with government corruption, I have interviewed federal whistleblowers and interacted with various dishonest government officials. Yet I was taken aback by the sworn statements of witnesses about the election, particularly the treatment of legal observers, even I would not have imagined it could happen in this country. The safest election in American history is just like saying the southern border is safe and secure. So I presume you didn't take a close look at what actually happened. One easy tell, in general, is about who stands for legitimately fair elections is what a person has to say about voter identification.
 
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Up until Trump came along I would've counted myself as a lifelong conservative, although I've never actually voted. I'm not a fan of politics in general. I've never liked Pelosi, or AOC, or a fair number of seemingly self-righteous Democrats, but the same holds true for Republicans.

One thing that you're right about is my concern about how the midterms are looking to turn out, because I'm worried that once again the pollsters are getting it totally wrong. That they're underestimating how the decision on Roe v. Wade is influencing voters. What I'm worried about is that with all this talk about how bad it's looking for the Democrats that they'll actually come out the winners on election night. Because if that happens then the outrage and violence among election deniers may well threaten our very democracy.

It's a sad state of affairs when I may have to go to sleep on election night worried about the very existence of our country, not because of what the Republicans will do if they win, but what their followers will do if they don't.

That very fact should frighten you, what will happen if the Republicans lose? And are those the people that you actually want to be supporting?
Well, I'm neither a Republican or a Democrat, but we have seen what happens when Republicans lost both houses and the presidency. Look how fast our country has gone downhill in less than two years. The fentanyl, the crime on the streets, the southern border disaster, the economy. If Republicans lose I expect even more people to move from California and New York and New Jersey to red states. Expect the federal government to arrest and jail even more conservatives, perhaps those who have spoken out on social media.
 
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The safest election in American history is just like saying the southern border is safe and secure. So I presume you didn't take a close look at what actually happened. One easy tell, in general, is about who stands for legitimately fair elections is what a person has to say about voter identification.
I need evidence, not accusations. Not some far right, fear mongering, stop the steal propaganda, but real, solid, consequential proof that there was significant voter fraud. And I'm being totally honest, but I haven't seen any, and Fox would've certainly let us know about it if there was.
 
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I need evidence, not accusations. Not some far right, fear mongering, stop the steal propaganda, but real, solid, consequential proof that there was significant voter fraud. And I'm being totally honest, but I haven't seen any, and Fox would've certainly let us know about it if there was.
Fox News, in my opinion, is a mixed bag--they have some very establishment characters. Have you read any of the sworn depositions or followed the Georgia explanations for delays? Or how about the court rulings about Wisconsin and Pennsylvania? "Fraud" is just a small part of wrongdoing, and you have to actually put someone on trial specifically for fraud and convict that person in order to prove fraud. That there were many violations of election law is a fact. Now Hillary and Joe Biden and so many other Democrats have not reversed their statements on what they say are illegitimate election results, but many conservatives have tried to focus on shoring up election laws for the future. There were major weakness in chain of custody and voter ID and I believe that now the majority of state legislatures have passed new election reform laws.
 
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