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Biblical Content and/or Christian Interpretation II: Monitorial

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If you really seek to make some kind of point about publication dates, don't bother.
No surprise. What I think is happening is this: you are quoting documents that are around 100 years old, and older, and implying their contents are true about today's Freemasonry. What you are actually doing is laying the groundwork for the case that Freemasonry has pursued an active program to squeeze out any Christianity it may have once had. Your documents are clearly showing that.

That's the trouble with your cut & paste style. You are so focussed on providing comments that you haven't considered their implications. Cordially, Skip.
 
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What I think is happening is this: you are quoting documents that are around 100 years old, and older, and implying their contents are true about today's Freemasonry.

What I am doing, is exactly what I stated when I began the original thread from which this one developed:


What YOU are doing, of course, is trying to impose limits upon it, and employing a double standard in doing so. Mike made no such limitation in his request (which, given his propensity for quoting Pike, would have failed anyway), and I take no such limitation upon the presentation of these materials. I have posted here many times the abundance of biblical citations that are found in today's Ahiman Rezon. The incredible volume of materials in that one source alone warrants a consideration of what is posted here, sans limitations. The fact that in my stated proposition in the OP, nothing was said, implied, or even remotely hinted about trying to state anything about "today's Freemasonry." Mike put the proposition as "can be found in Masonry." I take that as non-restrictive: no mention of dates, no mention of types of sources, no insistences upon Grand Lodge materials. Despite taking it that way, due consideration was given to a comment on the matter, and I subsequently decided to break out the second thread to delineate between what can be taken as Grand Lodge materials, as opposed to all other sources. Since I perceive your current comment as simply another attempt at limitation; since I perceive no such limitation in the challenge originally presented to me; since I made no such attempt to "imply" any such thing as you stated, and have simply been posting the materials sans comment; since this was a matter between Mike & myself in the first place, and therefore this attempt at changing the original proposititon ought properly to be coming from him and not you; and since I have no way of knowing when the limitations will cease, should I continue to give in to them; I respectfully decline trying to continue to comply with your wishes.

Check the first thread and you will find, there are current materials as well as older sources. I suspect that all you are trying to do with the introduction of such an accusation, is trying to hamstring the posting of the materials, in the same manner that every other effort to reply to Mike's request in the past, has been similarly railroaded. That's the main reason I posted what I did about there being only brief responses to comments made: I intend to get this material posted, and I intend to do so without the sidetracking that has become the antis' favorite tactic of late.

Your chosen response to what was first presented in the "perfect ashlar" thread, for example, was from Albert Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry--albeit through a secondary source you ran across in your web-surfing. Since Mackey's Encyclopedia is "around 100 years old, and older," and since what I posted came from a site listing its last update as 8/14/08, who are you to make an accusation like this, when it's more than obvious, that what you just described is a perfect description of EXACTLY what you did in responding to THAT thread? The situation is no different, I set forth Christian content/interpretation concerning that symbol, and you were trying to counter it. It's exactly the same now, the fact that the dates involved are reversed this time around should therefore be of no consequence.

As for what you claim I am "implying," hey, I didn't see you posting a date for Mackey. In fact, the way you put it was, "cited in masonicdictionary.com." It could just as easily be claimed that by so doing, you were "implying that what you posted is true about today's Freemasonry." Unfortunately for you, if any case can be made either way on the perfect ashlar, it appears to be easier to establish a case for Christian interpretation of it being on the increase, rather than decline. Even more unfortunately for you, even though you THOUGHT you were posting a counter, what Mackey said in that case actually IS true of today's Freemasonry, he stated the perfect ashlar is a cube, just as sources today are stating the same thing.

Even if all this had not been the path by which things transpired, I still would not accept your limitation, on the simple grounds that such dating is hardly a consideration in any antimasonic camp. They will dig up sources like Pike and Hall, who are not exactly "current" either, and display them at will, in making current accusations. It would be remiss of me to allow them to avail themselves of an opportunity to limit debate by Masons, through the use of such one-sided manipulations.

Nevertheless, your comments are still welcome, for as I stated:

I do invite any and all commentary upon it.

Just remember that if you post anything requiring responses of any length, not to be expecting any point-by-point rebuttals, since as I stated, there is quite a volume of material yet to come.
 
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Wayne:
Once again, the faults in your shotgun cut & paste mode are manifest. You are quoting from documents from the 1850's or so to support a contention that you cannot prove from more recent GL sources. For example (bolding added):

A belief in God, however the man defines him, is certainly a requirement; however a belief in the "divine authenticity of the Bible" is not required for membership across English-speaking Masonry. Texas is the only GL that I've found that actually states it as a qualification for candidates. BTW, Illinois just had its 171st communication, thus showing the age of your reference.


My, how times have changed. All the IL GL requires now for membership is "Believe in a Supreme Deity." These quotes highlight how Christianity was squeezed out of Freemasonry during its 300 year history to make it more inclusive. The battle between Antients and Moderns shows itself in many places in Masonic history.


Since you've quoted it, you and the rest of the online Masonic community ought to take it to heart. It's also interesting to see that quote in light of Masonry's acceptance of homosexual candidates. So much for morals within Freemasonry.

Again, did you bother to read this and consider its implications before you posted it? You have just demonstrated that the IL GL, even over a century ago, asserted that the 'word of God' went under different names. Here is basis of the VSL concept, proven by your quotes.

Is the writer lying, ignorant or just stating the truth about the Masonic concept of God? I think that last view applies. The only way one can accept a god under 'whatever name he may be known' is to believe that they all are the same thing.
I wonder what he meant by 'the civilized world?' Would the Lodge in a Muslim country have Masons "acknowledging the same God, the same Bible, and the same emblems?" Again, how times have changed!

An interesting statement. The claim is that any man taking his Masonic oaths and obligations on the Bible is also endorsing all parts of it, including the fact that Jesus is God incarnate, and that one is saved by faith alone and that one should emulate Jesus, not Hiram. That certainly is not the Masonry of today, where the VSL is used ONLY to solemnize the occasion and make the oaths and obligations binding upon the man.

No longer true, if it ever were. A candidate or member does not have to believe in the God of the bible, just any 'supreme being' he may recognize. Maybe the 'supreme being' in the movie The Fifth Element may someday be called out.

An objection to the use of the name of Christ in prayer by a chaplain of the lodge, is not good and should be ruled out of order. (Proceedings of the GL of Illinois, 52nd Grand Annual Communication, p. 56; post 18)
Certainly not true today. Were a member to complain to a GL that Jesus' name was being used, the GL would force an end to the practice.

I could go on, but the point's been made. Your quotes describe a masonry that, in part, no longer exists. Where the God of the Bible was mandated, it's now any 'god' will do. Where the Bible was paramount, any VSL is ok. And so forth. You are straining gnats, and have proven something quite different than you intended.

Lastly, I'm not sure your documents are actually monitorial. The word is used in the context of teaching a man the exoteric work of the Lodge. GL Proceedings certainly carry the authority of the GL, but are, arguably, not monitorial. Cordially, Skip.
 
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Funny thing, I look at this quote, and I see nowhere that it says "whatever name he may be known." And why do you take issue with ME, over what THEY have said? I haven't made any claims about the material, just presented it according to the stipulations of the OP of the original thread.

Certainly not true today. Were a member to complain to a GL that Jesus' name was being used, the GL would force an end to the practice.
I really thought you would know better. I'm sure you've seen this before:

13.8. SECTARIANISM — A Mason offering prayer in the Lodge may pray to his God observing his own conception of Deity. It is therefore proper and in accordance with Masonic law and tenets for a Mason who believes in the Christ or Jesus to offer prayer in the Lodge in His Name. (Alabama Masonic Code)

Not only would this GL not "force an end to the practice," they endorse it as legitimate Masonic prayer, right there in their Grand Lodge Code.

Lastly, I'm not sure your documents are actually monitorial. The word is used in the context of teaching a man the exoteric work of the Lodge. GL Proceedings certainly carry the authority of the GL, but are, arguably, not monitorial.
I haven't contended for every single thing on this thread as "monitorial." If you recall, this began on the original thread of the same title (sans "monitorial"), and this thread was created only because of specious objections based on double standards never observed with any consistency by antimasons themselves.

I also noted, when materials of this sort were first posted to this thread, that though monitorial, they carry the seal of Grand Lodge and thus are official GL materials--which is all that is intended by posting them. If it were possible to go back and note the change by including a notation in the title, I would have done so. And in fact, the attempt WAS made, by going to the OP, to the advanced setting, and changing the title line. But apparently there is no way to change the title after first setting it in the OP, hence it remains, and the materials which are GL-approved but not monitorial, I still post, under the same auspices already stated within the notation, from the time they first posted. With that notation now reiterated, I do still intend to post them as materials that are GL-approved by GL seal, though not technically monitorial, just as I stated from the first.

You are quoting from documents from the 1850's or so to support a contention that you cannot prove from more recent GL sources.
"Contention?" WHAT "contention?"

First of all, you have not shown any contention on my part, because I have offered none. The only things you cited by way of trying to prove "contention" on my part, were all citations from the sources as presented. That means you are critiquing what THEY said, and attributing it to me.

Secondly, I clearly stated the rationale for the original thread, which goes for this thread as well, since it is a breakout from the original thread. Apparently you missed it, but I am more than happy to repost it for your perusal:

At no time did I offer any "contention" for anything at all. I stated that this was a response to a request some time ago made by Mike to me, to post "Christian references/interpretations and biblical content that can be found in 'MASONRY.'" That's not "MONITORIAL Masonry," it's not "MODERN Masonry," it's just plain "MASONRY." Which is one reason I included the last line in that paragraph. (The other reason being, as stated, imo no antimason has the right to make that demand anyway, since none of them consistently adhere to it as a standard either.)

Your objections are duly noted, but you are objecting to things I never contended for to begin with. The material all falls within the parameters laid out in the OP. If you wish to make objections about the issues you raise, I'm afraid you will have to go raise them with someone who is contending for them. I never stated in the setup description of the thread, anything remotely resembling the things you are falsely claiming as "contentions" on my part.

Besides, I'm not so sure your objections are that well-founded anyway. One could just as easily quote from materials of the same ilk, and do so from current Masonry, with similar results:

The Bible tells us that, “Where there is no vision the people perish.” (2004 Proceedings, GL of North Carolina, p. 55)
 
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The Acknowledgments and Special Appreciation​


M. W. Brother Paul L. Powers presented the lodge with an Altar Bible, properly inscribed for which the Master expressed appreciation. (1957 proceedings, GL of Maine, p. 2)


"I now solemnly consecrate this lodge to the honor and glory of Jehovah, the Grand Architect of the Universe." (Monitor of the GL of Texas)
I am the resurrection and the life, saith the Lord. He that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. (Georgia Masonic Manual, p. 145-46)
 
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And of course, a few from the MANY that are to be found in Ahiman Rezon, the monitor in my own jurisdiction:






In short, the Mason's moral and religious duties are comprised in this command: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and thy neighbor as thyself. (Ahimon Rezon, p. 168)

 
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Aw heck, why hold back?

OPENING PRAYER

Most holy and glorious Lord God, the great Architect of the Universe, the Giver of all good gifts and graces! (James 1:17) Thou hast promised that "where two or three are gathered together in Thy name Thou wilt be in the midst of them and bless them." (Matthew 18:20)


CLOSING PRAYER

Supreme Architect of the Universe! Accept our humble thanks for the many mercies and blessings which Thy bounty has conferred on us, (2 Corinthians 9:5)
and especially for this friendly and social intercourse. Pardon, we beseech Thee, whatever Thou hast seen amiss in us since we have been together, (James 4:3) and continue to us Thy presence, protection, and blessing.


BENEDICTION AT CLOSING

May the blessing of Heaven rest upon us and all regular Masons! May brotherly love prevail, (Hebrews 13:1) and every moral and social virtue cement us!

ENTRY UPON THE 1ST DEGREE

Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;
As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.--Psalm CXXXIII[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]



Our Institution is said to be supported, by WISDOM, STRENGTH and BEAUTY; because it is necessary there should be wisdom to contrive, strength to support and beauty to adorn, all great and important undertakings. Its dimensions are unlimited, and its covering no less than the canopy of heaven. (Isaiah 40:22)
To this object the Mason's mind is continually directed, and thither he hopes at last to arrive by the aid of the theological ladder, which Jacob, in his vision, saw ascending from earth to heaven; (Gen. 28:10-22) the three principal rounds of which are denominated FAITH, HOPE and CHARITY, (1 Cor. 13:13) and which admonish us to have faith in God, (Mark 11:22, 1 Pet. 1:21) hope in immortality, (1 Cor. 15:54) and charity to all mankind. (Gal. 6:10)


ENTRY UPON THE SECOND DEGREE

Thus he shewed me: and, behold, the LORD stood upon a wall made by a plumb-line, with a plumb-line in his hand.
And the LORD said unto me, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A plumb-line. Then said the LORD, Behold, I will set a plumb-line in the midst of my people Israel: I will not again pass by them any more.--Amos VII, 7,8.[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]


CHARGE AT CLOSING

Let the world observe how Masons love one another. (1 John 4:7) These generous principles are to extend further. Every human being has a claim upon your kind offices. Do good unto all. Recommend it more especially "to the household of the faithful." (Galatians 6:10)
By diligence in the duties of your respective callings; by liberal benevolence and diffusive charity; by constancy and fidelity in your friendships, discover the beneficial and happy effects of this ancient and honorable Institution. Let it not be supposed that you have here labored in vain (1 Cor. 15:54) and spent your strength for naught; for your work is with the Lord and your recompense with God. (Ruth 2:12)

Finally, brethren, be ye all of one mind; live in peace, and may the God of love and peace delight to dwell with and bless you! (2 Cor. 13:11)

ENTRY UPON THIRD DEGREE


Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;
While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:
In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened,
And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low;
Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:
Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.--Ecclesiastes XII, 1-7.

PRAYER AT RAISING


Thou, O God! knowest our down-sitting and our uprising, and understandest our thought afar off. . .(Psalm 139:2, Job 14:1-11, Isa. 45:17 )


BENEDICTION AT THE LAYING OF A CORNER STONE

Glory be to God on High, and on earth peace, good will toward men! (Luke 2:14)
O Lord, we most heartily beseech Thee with Thy favor to behold and bless this assemblage. Pour down Thy mercies, like the dew that falls upon the mountains, (Psa. 133:3) upon Thy servants engaged in the solemn ceremonies of this day. Bless, we pray Thee, all the workmen who shall be engaged in the erection of this edifice; keep them from all forms of accident and harm, and grant them health and prosperity while they live. And finally, we pray that when our earthly toils and labors are ended we may all, through Thy mercy, wisdom and forgiveness, attain everlasting joy (Isa. 35:10) and felicity in the mansions prepared for us (John 14:2-3) in that temple not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. Amen. (2 Cor. 5:1)

AT THE DEDICATION OF A MASONIC HALL

In the name of the Great Jehovah, to whom be all honor and glory, I do solemnly dedicate this Hall to Freemasonry.

INVOCATION AT DEDICATION OF A MASONIC HALL

And may the Lord, the giver of every good and perfect gift, (James 1:17)
bless the brethren here assembled, in all their lawful undertakings, and grant to each one of them in needful supply, the Corn of nourishment, the Wine of refreshment, and the Oil of joy. Amen. (CORN, WINE, AND OIL: Deu. 7:13, 11:14, 14:23, 18:4, 28:51, 2 Chr. 31:5, 32:28, Neh. 5:11, 13:5, 13:12, Hosea 2:8, 2:22, Joel 1:10, Haggai 1:11; OIL OF JOY: Isaiah 61:3)

BENEDICTION AT FUNERAL

Now may the presence, comfort and strength of our Heavenly Father and the peace that passeth all understanding (Philippians 4:7) abide with us all, now and always. AMEN.

INVOCATION AT LODGE OF SORROW

"Almighty and Eternal God, (Deu. 33:27) in Whom we live, and move, and have our being, (Acts 17:28) we pray that Thou will grant each of us health, happiness, and well being in the coming year. We hold the hope that each of us and all our Brothers whom we hold dear, will be present when we close this Lodge of Sorrow at the end of its appointed time. But should it be your will to call for workmen from among our ranks, then help those remaining to see the Wisdom in Your choice. (Chaplain may add further words as he sees fit.) AMEN"

Just after the reading of Psalm 133 in the EA ritual, we find:

The great teaching of this Psalm is Brotherly Love, that virtue which forms the most prominent tenet of the Masonic Order. And it teaches the lesson, too, precisely as we do, by a symbol, comparing it to the precious ointment used in the consecration of the High Priest, whose delightful perfume filled the whole place with its odor. The ointment was poured upon the head in such quantity, that, being directed by the anointer in different ways in the form of a cross, it flowed at length down the beard, and finally dropped from the flowing skirts of the priestly garment.
The fifteen Psalms, from the 120th to the 134th, inclusive, of which this, of course, is one, are called by the Hebrews, "songs of degrees," because they were sung on the fifteen steps ascending from the court of Israel to the court of the women of the Temple. (Ahiman Rezon 2003, p. 66-67)
 
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The following passage of Scripture is here used:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be Light; and there was Light. (AR, p. 71)

But what mind can conceive, or what pen portray, that terrible convulsion of nature, that awful disentanglement of its elements, which must have accompanied the Divine command, "Let there be Light!" The attempt to describe it would be a presumptuous task. We feel, when we meditate on the subject, that stillness and silence must have fled before the Almighty Voice, and the earth itself have trembled in its new existence, when the gloomy pall of darkness was rolled as a curtain from the face of nature. (p. 72)

When at last your trembling soul stands naked and alone before the Great Judgment, may it be your portion to hear from Him who is the Judge Supreme: "Well done, thou good and faithful servant, enter now into the joys of the Lord." (p. 76)

The Operative Masons at Jerusalem, from whom we date our origin, were occupied in the construction of an earthly and material temple, to be dedicated to the service and worship of God--a house in which the mighty Jehovah was to dwell visibly by the Shekinah, and whence He was by Urim and Thummim, to send forth His oracles for the government and direction of His chosen people.
The Speculative Mason is engaged in the construction of a spiritual temple in his heart, pure and spotless, fit for the dwelling place of Him who is the author of purity; where God is to be worshipped in spirit and in truth, and whence every evil thought and unruly passion are to be banished, as the sinner and the Gentile were excluded from the sanctuary of the Jewish Temple.
In the symbolic language of Masonry, therefore, the twenty-four inch gauge is a symbol of time well employed; the common gavel, of the purification of the heart. (p. 79-80)

Various passages of Scripture are referred to in this section as elucidating the traditions of Masonry on the subject of the Temple.
And we will cut wood out of Lebanon, as much as thou shalt need; and we will bring it to thee in floats by sea to Joppa; and thou shalt carry it up to Jeruslem.--2 Chron. II, 16. (p. 82)

And the house, when it was in building, was built of stone made ready before it was brought thither; so that there was neither hammer, nor axe, nor any tool of iron heard in the house while it was in building.--1 Kings VI, 7. (p. 83)

Josephus says, "The whole structure of the Temple was made with great skill, of polished stones, and those laid together so very harmoniously and smoothly, that there appeared to the spectators no sign of any hammer or any other instrument of architecture, but as if, without any use of them, the entire materials had naturally united themselves together, so that the agreement of one part with another seemed rather to have been natural, than to have arisen from the force of tools upon them." (p. 83)

Now this was the manner in former time in Israel governing redeeming and concerning changing, for to confirm all things; a man plucked off his shoe, and gave it to his neighbor; and this was a testimony in Israel.--Ruth IV, 7 (p. 84)
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.--Matthew VII, 7. (p. 84)

The idea, that the Lodge is a symbol of the world, is still carried out. It was the belief of the ancients that the heavens, or the roof of the world, was supported by pillars. By these pillars, some suppose that the mountains are alluded; but in reference to a passage in Job XXVI, 11, where it is said "The pillars of heaven tremble," Noyes thinks that "it is more probable that heaven is represented as an immense edifice, supported on lofty columns, like a temple." (p. 91)

A Lodge is situated due east and west, because, when Moses crossed the Red Sea, being pursued by Pharaoh and his host, he erected on the other side, by divine command, a tabernacle, which he placed due east and west, to receive the first rays of the rising sun, and to commemorate that mighty east wind by which their miraculous deliverance was effected. This tabernacle was an exact pattern of King Solomon's Temple, of which every Lodge is a representation, and it is, or ought, therefore, to be placed due east and west. (p. 99-100)

In six days God created the heavens and the earth, and rested upon the seventh day; the seventh, therefore, our ancient brethren consecrated as a day of rest from their labors; thereby enjoying frequent opportunities to contemplate the glorious works of creation, and to adore their great Creator. (p. 114)

For he cast two pillars of brass, of eighteen cubits high apiece; and a line of twelve cubits did compass either of them about.--1 Kings VII, 15. (p. 114)

Also he made before the house two pillars of thirty and five cubits high, and the chapiter that was on the top of each of them was five cubits.--2 Chron. III, 15. (p. 114)

And he made two chapiters of of molten brass, to set upon the tops of the pillars; the height of the chapiter three cubits; the height of the one chapiter was five cubits, and the height of the other chapiter was five cubits.--1 Kings VII, 16. (p. 114)

The height of the one pillar was eighteen cubits, and the chapiter upon it was brass; and the height of the chapiter three cubits; and the wreathen work, and pomegranates upon the chapiter around about, all of brass; and like unto these had the second pillar with wreathen work.--2 Kings XXV, 16. (p. 114)

The discrepancy as to the height of the pillars as given in the book of Kings and in Chronicles is to be reconciled by supposing that in the book of Kings the pillars are spoken of separately, and that in Chronicles their aggregate height is calculated; and the reason that in this latter book their united height is placed at 35 cubits, instead of 36, which would be the double of 18, is because they are there measured as they appear with the chapiters upon them. Now half a cubit of each pillar was concealed in what Dr. Lightfoot calls "the hole of the chapiter," that is, half a cubit's depth of the lower edge of the chapiter covered the top of the pillar, making each pillar apparently only 17 1/2 cubits high, or the two, 35 cubits, as laid down in the book of Chronicles.
In a similar way we reconcile the difference as to the height of the chapiters. In 1 Kings and 2 Chronicles the chapiters are said to be five cubits high, while in 2 Kings their height is described as being only three cubits. But it will be noticed that it immediately follows in the same place, that "there was a wreathen work and pomegranates upon the chapiter around about." Now the expression is conclusive that the height of the chapiters was estimated exclusive and independent of the wreathen work round about them, which was two cubits more, and this added to the three cubits of the chapiter proper, will make the five cubits spoken of in all other parts of Scripture. (p. 114-16)

Here a symbol of Plenty is introduced, and proper explanations are given as to the proper answers to the following questions:
What does it denote?
How was it represented?
Why was it instituted?

The passages of Scripture which are referred to in this part of the section will be found in Judges XII, 1-6. The Vulgate version gives a periphrastic translation of a part of the 6th verse, as follows: "Say, therefore, Shibboleth, which being interpreted is an ear of corn." the same word in Hebrew signifies a rapid stream of water, from the root SHaBaL, to flow copiously. The too common error of speaking, in this part of the ritual, of a "water-ford" instead of a "water-fall," which is the correct word, must be carefully avoided. A water-fall is an emblem of plenty, because it indicates an abundance of water. A water-ford, for the converse reason, is, if any symbol at all, a symbol of scarcity. (p. 127-28)

Immediately following the monitorial degree work, is a section detailing the qualities of a Mason, with this description:
As the Bible is the first Great Light presented to a candidate, the following quotations from that inspired book are recommended to his previous perusal:

"Lord, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?
"He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.
"He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbor, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbor.
"In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoreth them that fear the Lord. He that sweareth to his own heart, and changeth not.
"He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent." Psalm XV.
"Who shall ascend into the hills of the Lord? or who shall stand in his holy place?
He that hath clean hands and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully."--Psalm XXIV, 3, 4.
"What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good?
"Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.
"Depart from evil and do good; seek peace, and pursue it."--Psalm XXXIV, 12-14.
Then let the candidate prepare himself to say:
"I will take heed to my ways, that I sin not with my tongue; I will keep my mouth with a bridle, while the wicked is before me."--Psalm XXXIX, 1.
"I will wash mine hands in innocency; so will I compass thine altar, O Lord."--Psalm XXVI, 6.
 
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A lodge is an assemblage of Masons duly congregated, having the Holy Bible, Square, and Compasses, and a Charter or Warrant of Constitution authorizing them to work. (Colorado Masonic Monitor, p. 21-22)

The furniture of a Lodge consists of the Holy Bible, Square, and Compasses. The Bible is dedicated to God, because it is the inestimable gift of God to man. (Colorado Masonic Monitor, p. 25)

If required by the by-laws of the Lodge, a Chaplain may be appointed annually by the Worshipful Master to assist him in performing religious services, using none but the prescribed forms. His jewel is an open Bible. (The Colorado Craftsman, p. 92)







 
 

 
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Some time ago, Mike posted on another thread to this effect:

Skip reinforced, from a respected Masonic source, what the Grand Lodge of India illustrates. . .

The piece he then cited was from the Masonic Service Association. And since Mike has made it clear that he intends to be the sole arbiter of antimasonic opinion on this forum, then it's pretty significant that he considers this to be a "respected Masonic source." Of course, this goes against his former pontifications about how the MSA is not an "authoritative" source, but hey, what's a little contradiction here and there when you're having fun?

But what I notice is how that little bit of sleight of hand was used to work his way up to making declarations about Grand Lodge, by way of the MSA, through the manipulation of his own fluctuating opinions about them. So since Skip considers them authoritative enough to quote them, and Mike considers them authoritative enough to reference them in comments about Grand Lodges, there certainly can be no objection from the antimasonic camp if I do the same. Therefore, I include in the materials posted here as a more direct reflection of GL statements than its sister thread, the content of the MSA-distributed Short Talk Bulletins. These get pretty interesting:






 


 
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A Lodge is a certain number of Masons duly assembled, with the Holy Bible, Square, and Compasses, with a charter or warrant empowering them to work. ("A Lodge at Work," Short Talk Bulletin)
 
 
 
 
 
 
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The only time a candidates' particular religion is of importance to the Order is when he takes his obligation on the sacred book of his own religion, the better to deem it solemn and binding.
An interesting quote. The Illinois GL makes a similar statement about candidate qualifications on its website:

Believe in a Supreme Deity (necessary to take certain oaths, otherwise no obligation would be binding upon you.)
Thus, it becomes clear that Masonry requires a candidate to express a belief in a Supreme Being only to make the oaths and obligations binding upon him. Thanks for bringing that up. Kinda highlights the hypocrisy of the craft. Cordially, Skip.
 
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Wow, two full posts, 19 citations, and only one passing comment about one line in one of them, and even then merely a lame spin job. Thanks for illustrating the continuing bankruptcy of antimasonry.

What's the matter, you couldn't come up with a real response?

You could at least try to explain how it is "hypocrisy" to follow the same procedure as U.S. courts do in swearing in witnesses, of allowing them to be sworn in on the book of their own personal faith. The reason being, of course, that by allowing them to do so on a book which they themselves are more likely to consider sacred, the oath is therefore more apt to be treated as binding upon them.

Seems to me the practice has more to do with the principles of religious freedom upon which this country was founded.

So exactly what are Christians supposed to do when called upon (or subpoenaed, even) to give their testimony in court? Refuse to do so on the tenuous "religious" ground that by doing so, they are being "hypocritical?" Try that one next time you have to testify and see how far it gets you.
 
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What's the matter, you couldn't come up with a real response?
Actually I did; you probably read some of it, which was responding to the only thing new in your posts. Your quotes are pretty repetitious and hit the same nail over and over again.

You could at least try to explain how it is "hypocrisy" to follow the same procedure as U.S. courts do in swearing in witnesses, of allowing them to be sworn in on the book of their own personal faith.
We weren't talking about the courts; thus, their similarities were irrelevant. We were talking about the Masonry which trumpets the fact that all its members must believe in a supreme being, then we find it turns out that such a demand is only to solemnify their oath taking. All during this thread you are proving much about Freemasonry, most of which you didn't even realize when you posted the quotes. Cordially, Skip.
 
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We were talking about the Masonry which trumpets the fact that all its members must believe in a supreme being, then we find it turns out that such a demand is only to solemnify their oath taking.
Unless you have a rat in your pocket, there was no "we." That was YOU. And the analogy is spot-on with the same practice as in th courtroom, for the principle is exactly the same. You being unaware of that fact does not refute it. In fact, you being unaware of it really means nothing, because it still stands as a direct comparison in principle. You yourself stated that it was to solemnify the oath--the court oath is no different, and the practice of allowing the book of one's own faith is directly comparable as well.

All during this thread you are proving much about Freemasonry, most of which you didn't even realize when you posted the quotes.
With this response, you are proving nothing at all--unless you want to count, showing your ignorance of the principle behind the courtroom oath.
 
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Your quotes are pretty repetitious and hit the same nail over and over again.
And with good reason, since I'm not really aiming at any nails at all. This thread and its companion were started, if you recall, simply as a request by Mike that I find everything in Masonry that I could that had Christian or biblical references in its content, and post it.

And if it "hits any nails" other than that, it wasn't by any intention. But with a count nearing 500 thread views on a thread that only today reached its fourth page, not to mention the over 500 on its sister thread, I'd say there must be SOMETHING there that folks are finding interesting, so naturally it will keep posting as long as the material is there to be found. And it will be there for awhile yet, I haven't even scratched the surface. And I have quite a bit more already prepared for post, just haven't had the time to get to it.
 
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You nailed him again Skip; or should I say you showed how he nailed himself; yet claims to be a Christian pastor.

 
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Skip said:
What I think is happening is this: you are quoting documents that are around 100 years old, and older, and implying their contents are true about today's Freemasonry.

And, he cannot find a declaration from one Grand Lodge in the U.S. that says the practice of Freemasonry TODAY is as "Christian" as Wayne wants to deceive readers into thinking by the ancient material he posts.
 
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