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Biblical Content and/or Christian Interpretation II: Monitorial

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First up: Jonathan Ashe, The Masonic Manual

My prediction for Skip's reaction to goofing on the "Masonic Salvation in SC" thread concerning the S&C logo, is that he will quickly post a concession to the point. That's been a consistent pattern on the threads: (1) show a whopper of a goof on a Masonic point, and he will go to the ends of the earth to keep from admitting it, even to the point of staircases for ladders, and rectangles for cubes; (2) but let him make an obvious boner in regard to something not germane to any Masonic point, and he will quickly confess, just so he can later claim "you don't pay any attention to it when I do concede points." It's all window dressing for this guy, and he knows it, and is shameless about it.
 
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My prediction for Skip's next response on the "Masons Called by God" thread is easy: Once he sees where I have made the statement that I have consistently used the term "led" as opposed to "called," he will go searching to try to find at least ONE instance in which I did not do so, and start with his "AHA!" response. There are none, though. But he will be going ballistic about it anyway.
 
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Wayne:
Which of your references were issued by a GL? Cordially, Skip.

First, to clarify, "issued by" is not the standard, they could as easily be "adopted by," "sanctioned by," "endorsed by," "used by," etc.

Having said that, here's what we have:

(1) Ashe's manual did not meet any of these descriptions. However, Mackey says of Ashe, that his material was "borrowed" from Hutchinson, and Hutchinson's material was GL approved, so for the Ashe material, it is safe to say, see Hutchinson (when it posts, that is, I haven't put it up yet).

(2) Atwood's The Master Workman; or, True Masonic Guide, was used as the manual in St. John's Grand Lodge, New York, up until the merger took place to form the Grand Lodge of New York.

(3) Cole's The Freemasons' Library and General Ahiman Rezon became the manual of the Grand Lodge of Maryland by official sanction, and that sanction appears in the front materials:


(4) Cross's The True Masonic Chart, or Hieroglyphic Monitor. From a book on Jeremy Ladd Cross by James R. Case on the phoenixmasonry website:

 
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This order is, therefore, a positive contradiction of those, who know not God, and gives the most irrefragable proof of the resurrection of the body. (Hardie, New Freemason’s Monitor, p. 158)


JESUS CHRIST, our blessed Saviour, the Great Architect of the Church, was born at Bethlehem, in Judea, in the 4th year before the vulgar Christian era, and in the year of masonry 4000. (James Hardie, New Free-Mason’s Monitor, 1818, p. 294)
 
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This order is, therefore, a positive contradiction of those, who know not God, and gives the most irrefragable proof of the resurrection of the body. (Hardie, New Freemason’s Monitor, p. 158)


JESUS CHRIST, our blessed Saviour, the Great Architect of the Church, was born at Bethlehem, in Judea, in the 4th year before the vulgar Christian era, and in the year of masonry 4000. (James Hardie, New Free-Mason’s Monitor, 1818, p. 294)
 
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"The first charge is, that yee shall be true men to God and the holy church, and to use no error or heresie by your understanding and by wise men's teaching. (John Dove, "Antiquities of Masonry," The Masonic Textbook (and Ahiman Rezon), Virginia)
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[Not "monitorial," but certainly published by Grand Lodge]




[Not "monitorial," but certainly part of Grand Lodge official documents, for each of the "proceedings" publications carries the seal of the Grand Lodge.]







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Wayne:
Do you actually read these quotes before you post them, or is cut & paste the only form of analysis you use? Let's look at a few and you'll see what I mean:

by faith we are justified, accepted, and finally saved. (Post 1)
"Finally saved?" We have to wait?

So one has to maintain a "Masonic profession" to make it to heaven? I had always thought faith in Jesus did that.

It's the furniture of the lodge that brings a man from darkness to light? And Masons are set above non-Masons? Christians know that once saved, they are admitted sinners; any believer who views himself "above the level of other men" doesn't understand much at all. He realizes his initial degraded state and seeks to help others to gain what he has gained.

Thus the Master Mason represents a man under the Christian doctrine, saved from the grave of iniquity hand raised to the life and grace of salvation. (Post 1)
Each MM or just the ones proven to be Christian? Does the Buddhist MM understand that? I'll have to see which GL monitor or ritual makes such a statement.

The ceremonies of Masons prove that the testimonials and insignia of the Master's order, in the present state of Masonry, were devised within the ages of Christianity; (Post 1)
I guess the dates of its founding would also suggest it was devised "within the ages of Christianity." Also founded "within the ages of Christianity" was Islam, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, none of which are Christian. Kinda like Masonry in that regard.

and we, as a set of religious brethren, assembling in the true faith, commemorate the proclamations of the Baptist. (Post 2)
Really? All Masons assemble in the 'true faith?'

To conceal the imperfections of our friend and cover his infirmities, is Christian-like and charitable, consequently befitting a Mason. Even the truth should not be told at all times; (Post 2)
Well, that certainly is masonic. Wouldn't want to embarrass a brother, regardless of what he's done.

He gave us the precepts of that acceptable service wherewith His Father should be well pleased; (Post 2)
Most Christians view God's plan as in place from the beginning, not something he had to come up with due to the sins of the Jews. As well, Jesus commented upon what one must do to please God:

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” (John 6:28-29, NIV)


We never suffer any religious disputes in our lodge, and as Masons, we are members of the universal church, not narrowed to a sect. (Post 2)
Good to have that out there in the open. I think you just destroyed your "Masonry isn't a religion" argument. And we already know Masons don't want to bring 'other' religions into the lodge, as the competition might prove uncomfortable.

In short, our present dark estate, it would seem, can never acquire that pure unbeclouded economy which shall emancipate man from all allusions and emblematical rites. (Post 2)
So all men are chained to 'allusions and emblematical rites' and do not know the truth? Interesting, but understandable give Ashe's view that Masons belong to the universal church, and only through that church can the truth be found. Of course, Jesus proclaimed himself as Truth, but that was before Masonry came onto the scene.

when the ' great white throne' is set, (Post 3, Atwood)
Not sure I'd like to find myself before that throne, but Masons certainly love to talk about it. And for good reason.

This needs no comment from me; it's scary enough on its own.

the bible points out the path that leads to happiness, (Post 3, Cole)
I thought it pointed out the path to salvation. Well, be happy, if not saved, I guess.

The Mason may imitate the Christian all he wants, but unless he is one, it won't do much good. Besides, the Mason is actually told to emulate Hiram Abif; that'll do him a lot of good.

For the Christian, it's not a matter of hope; rather, it's a certainty.

may he find mercy in the great day when all men shall be judged according to the deeds done in the body. (Post 6, FL Monitor)
Only if God is a Mason. If he is instead the God of the Bible, he'll be judged solely on his relationship with Jesus Christ.

This order is, therefore, a positive contradiction of those, who know not God, and gives the most irrefragable proof of the resurrection of the body. (Posts 6 & 7, Hardie)
And what proof might that be? That a fictional character is raised from the grave in Masonry? That is more believable than the testimony of those who saw Jesus resurrected?

The 'poison of sectaries?' So Masonry is the true Christian religion?

I answer unhesitatingly that such a declaration from a candidate is to be taken in its broadest sense, and to mean that his belief in God is such a belief as has entered his heart and prepared him to be made a Mason. (Post 10, CO Proceedings)
I can see why you liked that one. How one could think that God would call anyone to be a Mason is beyond belief. By the way, what offices do you hold in your lodge? If you think God called you there, what exactly are you doing to further it?

and to teach them the "Duty we owe to God, our neighbor and ourselves."
Duty to God, by keeping the Commandments proclaimed from Mount Sinai; (Post 10, NY Proceedings)
So 'duty to God' is obeying the Ten Commandments. Not sure I've ever seen that in ritual, or spoken from the pulpit in any Christian church.

God uses the Lion's Paw grip to raise men? Good thing he learned it in Masonry, otherwise he may have tried just a normal handshake, or maybe a high-five. Sounds like the Mormon rituals at the Veil.

What you have amply demonstrated, aside from the fact that you didn't really read the sources carefully, is that Masonic writers sometimes try desperately to bring a cloak of Christianity over Freemasonry. Their view is that it's really Christian, despite the fact that Jesus is not welcomed there, that the lost are not accepted there, that salvation-by-works is taught there and that the uniqueness of Christianity is attacked there. Incredible that you'd invest so much time into such a waste of time. Cordially, Skip.
 
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Sec. 6 It shall be the duty of the Grand Bible Bearer to bear the Holy Writings in all processions and at all public ceremonies. (James Wright Anderson, A Masonic Manual, GL of California, p. 46)
Every well-governed Lodge is furnished with a Holy Bible, Square and Compass.
The Holy Bible is dedicated to God, it being his inestimable gift to man as the rule and guide of his faith. (p. 231)




 
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[So much for Skippy's favorite accusation concerning chastity.]

VIENNA LODGE, NO. I50.

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[So much for Skippy's favorite accusation concerning chastity.]
Or not. Just show me where in the Blue Lodge ritual the Mason obligates himself to the life of chastity, or even to respect the chastity of women in general. Aside from swearing not to violate other Master Mason's women, leaving the female relatives of EA and FC Masons an open field, a general vow of chastity doesn't exist in the obligations. You should be able to disprove this easily by quoting the relevant statement from your own ritual, unless it's not there of course.

Just out of curiosity, you've not included the years or dates of the various Proceedings. Please do so. Cordially, Skip.
 
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Just out of curiosity, you've not included the years or dates of the various Proceedings. Please do so.
I've included volume numbers. With your keen research skills, I'm sure you can come up with the years that fit the volume numbers. Not that it's going to matter, since you cited Mackey in addressing the ashlar thread, where the material I presented was fairly current. If you really seek to make some kind of point about publication dates, don't bother. Antimasons clearly don't consult dates when they start shuffling around looking for something to turn into an accusation.

It's just the same old antimasonic game: "We can quote this, y'all can't." Just can't seem to play on a level field for some reason.
 
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