Biblical Chronology/Sin question

[DLraing]

If man acquired sin as soon as Adam took from the tree of life (I think that's the tree anyway, forgive my scriptural ignorance) then why did not the savior appear soon afterwards. What was the reason for the delay? Or is my ignorance shining here, and there was in fact no delay. How much time passed between Adam's fall from grace and Jesus' descent to Earth? Again, if the time gap was long; why was it so long? Thanks to all you informed Christians in advance.

 

[Rafael]

No, not the tree of life, but the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which gave man the abilities to discern and judge for himself, being a new born babe of God's creation without wisdom of life or experience.

It was many thousands of years before Jesus came as Saviour and propitiation for mankind's sins. Why God works a certain time in bringing revelation was probably to let man see the fruits of their choice - living without God's provision and leadership. The results are still very evident today if one will only read and watch the news. Selfishness, greed, murder, immorality - these are what mankind has been able to do with its own judgments. Nevertheless, God suffers the existence of evil for a time in order that those who realize a need for redeemption and accept it will come back to Him and learn from His wisdom, continuing on with Him through eternity as the family of God.


Jesus didn't descend to earth, but was born of woman in order to share humanity with man and be able to represent mankind's sin in judgment before God the Father. Having the Holy Spirit as the father of Jesus meant that the sin nature of Adam was not inheritated by Jesus, and He was able to do the perfect will of God on earth - the only man ever to do that and be the perfect sacrifice for our sins as a race of beings. When Jesus returns, though, He will descend from heaven and touch down on the Mt. of Olives, in Israel.

Time is still measured by a large part of the world, not all, by the birth of Jesus and His life - B.C. and A.D. - before Christ and anno domini (in the year of our Lord). I'm not positive about the age of the history of man, but I think it approximately 5 to 6 thousand years old. Perhaps someone else can add a better answer for times periods.

I hope I've helped a little, and feel free to ask for better detail on points that may not be clear. I know the virgin birth and the nature of God by His Holy Spirit may be clear for those familiar with Christianity, but may not be to those of other persuasions.

 

[Stanfi]

Also before Christ, God gave moses the law. The law identified sin, and allowed man to make animal sacrifces for their sins. Leviticus gives great detail of what the people were so supposed to sacrifice, and how they were supposed to do it. This was God's original covenant with man. However, man could not keep the law. So Christ came and shed his blood as the utlimate sacrifice for our sins. The new testament says the Christ came to full fill the law and not do away with it.

 

[Svt4Him]

I have no idea. But I know that there was a temporary fix through the sacrifice system. Maybe if it was fixed too quick, people wouldn't realize how big the problem was.

 

[Lyle]

There were things that needed to be finished and fulfilled before the Christ could come (at that He came born of a women). You may note that it wasn't until Aberham that a Savior is first promised, well more or less directly (Christ was promised at the end of the 3rd chapter of Genesis). But throughout the Bible god will give people their own way to test their hearts and find their true loyality....

 

[RVincent]

If man acquired sin as soon as Adam took from the tree of life...

This is an idea brought about through careless reading.

(Rom 5:12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

"sin entered into the world," Sin entered the kosmos by one man.

But it did not say sin passed upon all men. What passed upon all men?

"death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" We sin very well on our own. We only inherited the penalty from Adam, not the sin.

Now, some people are careless enough to read that animals are paying for Adam's sin! I agree that our sins bring hurt to a lot of God's creation, but the animals don't sin.

(Rom 8:22) For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

creation. Gr. ktisis, ktis'-is; from G2936; original formation. It doesn't mean animals. The earth, in the way in which it was first created...perfect...is groaning (not sinning) for things to return to the way things were.

 

[Rafael]

This is an idea brought about through careless reading.

(Rom 5:12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

"sin entered into the world," Sin entered the kosmos by one man.

But it did not say sin passed upon all men. What passed upon all men?

"death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" We sin very well on our own. We only inherited the penalty from Adam, not the sin.

Now, some people are careless enough to read that animals are paying for Adam's sin! I agree that our sins bring hurt to a lot of God's creation, but the animals don't sin.

(Rom 8:22) For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

creation. Gr. ktisis, ktis'-is; from G2936; original formation. It doesn't mean animals. The earth, in the way in which it was first created...perfect...is groaning (not sinning) for things to return to the way things were.

Well, then death is the result of sin, right? The wages of sin is death. Their association requires the balance of scripture in order to know the whole truth.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Also, the "original formation" was called "very good" by God, not "perfect", as you have stated. Are we assuming it perfect, when God created it the way He intended - for His own purpose? If my observation is wrong, please correct me, as the veracity of scripture interpretation and the Spirit of God giving it life and meaning are precious to me.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

 

[RVincent]

Well, then death is the result of sin, right? The wages of sin is death. Their association requires the balance of scripture in order to know the whole truth.

I'm not sure I understand your statment.

No. By "original formation" I am speaking of the world before the katabole.

Also, please know this. I know I might come off this way, but I do not expect anybody to believe as I do.

Go with God, and in peace.

 

[Rafael]

I'm not sure I understand your statment.

No. By "original formation" I am speaking of the world before the katabole.

Also, please know this. I know I might come off this way, but I do not expect anybody to believe as I do.

Go with God, and in peace.

This is an idea brought about through careless reading.

Thanks for your reply, I will look into your link. I would also say that I wouldn't judge others as careless in reading the Bible and having questions.

But it did not say sin passed upon all men. What passed upon all men?

If man's nature was not to sin after the fall, then what purpose was their for the Holy Spirit to be the Father of Jesus instead of a regular man?

 

[BarbB]

....How much time passed between Adam's fall from grace and Jesus' descent to Earth? .....

I believe that about 4,000 years passed from Adam's fall to Jesus' birth/death.

 

[RVincent]

If man's nature was not to sin after the fall, then what purpose was their for the Holy Spirit to be the Father of Jesus instead of a regular man?

Hello.

This is not exactly what I meant. Mankind's nature is to sin simply because it is mankind. So much so, that we don't need to inherit it from Adam. Adam didn't need to inherit it.

(James 1:14) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

(James 1:15) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

The reason sin brings forth death is because that penalty passed onto us from Adam. (Rom 5:12)

But sin...we do it ourselves.

In other words, what we inherited from Adam are the wages of sin, i.e. death. But we sin our own without having to have inherited it.

 

[Rafael]

Hello.

This is not exactly what I meant. Mankind's nature is to sin simply because it is mankind. So much so, that we don't need to inherit it from Adam. Adam didn't need to inherit it.

(James 1:14) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

(James 1:15) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

The reason sin brings forth death is because that penalty passed onto us from Adam. (Rom 5:12)

But sin...we do it ourselves.

In other words, what we inherited from Adam are the wages of sin, i.e. death. But we sin our own without having to have inherited it.

Well, you didn't answer the question and explain why Jesus would have to have the nature of His Father in order to not sin and be a perfect sacrifice without spot or blemish, but I do agree, though, that man is responsible for his sins.
Since this is not a debate forum, I invite you to continue this discussion by private message....? Thank you.

 

[equity]

i agree with that too, each man when he/she lusts after things does bring forth death.
it's my prayer for us all that we would no the word of god more, as it give understanding and STANDING against such lust. Thus we would learn to love god more intimately rather then fighting shadows that have already been conquered by the blood of Jesus Christ.

 

[RVincent]

Well, you didn't answer the question and explain why Jesus would have to have the nature of His Father in order to not sin and be a perfect sacrifice without spot or blemish,

I guess I don't understand your question, or how it relates to the topic of "us".

Read the book of Hebrews, it will explain much of what you need to know about Jesus on earth.

 

[Rafael]

I guess I don't understand your question, or how it relates to the topic of "us".

Read the book of Hebrews, it will explain much of what you need to know about Jesus on earth.

If you have a hard time understanding how Christ's perfect sacrifice at the cross and the need for it to be perfect relates to "us", then you have missed the point in the virgin birth entirely. The fallen nature of man was avoided when the Holy Spirit became the Father of Jesus, and not just another man. If the father were a man, then the nature to sin would have been present and no perfect sacrifice available to man for propitiation of sin. This is basic Christian doctrine.

 

[RVincent]

If you have a hard time understanding how Christ's perfect sacrifice at the cross and the need for it to be perfect relates to "us", then you have missed the point in the virgin birth entirely. The fallen nature of man was avoided when the Holy Spirit became the Father of Jesus, and not just another man. If the father were a man, then the nature to sin would have been present and no perfect sacrifice available to man for propitiation of sin. This is basic Christian doctrine.

Then the way you asked it confused me.

You asked, "why Jesus would have to have the nature of His Father in order to not sin and be a perfect sacrifice without spot or blemish"?

At one moment we were talking about man, and now were are changing subjects to Him.

"Relate" has a wide variety of applications, as in, "relate to us".

I'm thinking "What does Christ's virgin birth have to do with our sins?"

It has to do with His sinlessness.

So again, a switch from "ours" to "His". The post was about us.

I wish people would just quote Scripture, this is why I referenced the book of Hebrews. There was nothing wrong with that answer.

(Heb 2:9) But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

(Heb 4:15) For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

(Heb 11:25) Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

He chose not to sin and was the only one who could cut it.

(Heb 2:14) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

"This is basic Christian doctrine" includes a lot of man-made stuff that doesn't mean squat to me.

I hate jumping around verses like that. I thought you were asking me because you didn't know. So I said "Read the book of Hebrews". The perfect answer.