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I have used the NASB, NIV, NKJV, and KJV and believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible. In studying using various translations I have observed a doctrinal shift conforming with the shift of the modern age towards the left. I have found the KJV to be reliable and true to the historic doctrine of the Gospel. Just use software such as esword and compare the discrepancies: the changes seem to modernize the Bible in language and doctrine. Alone most of the changes do not seem to deviate that much but if you view them as a whole an agenda seems to emerge. I thought the KJV was hard to understand but with the help of a KJV dictionary I have found it to be quite edifying. There are a lot of things that make more sense when compared to more modern translations. I discovered that the KJV was written in High English not Olde English and therefore conveys Hebrew and Greek a little better than modern English as we do not have a plural form of you for instance.
Sword7 said:Would you say that you're a bible agnostic since you don't believe God preserved his words, or rather, that there's no 100% inspired preserved text anywhere on earth?
No I would say I concern myself with the message of scripture than I do with the specific words (as the specific words were actually written how long ago?). To make such a ludicrous statement is ridiculous.
The Pharisees constantly focused on the letters & the words got ridiculed from Jesus for it to which several times Jesus would turn around & quote to them what they've heard from scripture but then tell them what it means. The meaning is much more important than the word used to express that meaning. If you don't think so, then argue with Jesus when you see Him.
As for me, I gave an answer to your question that asked for a subjective comment in return. I didn't do that to be ridiculed but to share in a thread that asked for an opinion. If you feel like proving me wrong in any way then next time word the OP in a way that is asking more of an objective response. It doesn't matter, really... because it is about the point. The point being here, we're going to disagree no matter what you say.
No I would say I concern myself with the message of scripture than I do with the specific words (as the specific words were actually written how long ago?). To make such a ludicrous statement is ridiculous.
The Pharisees constantly focused on the letters & the words got ridiculed from Jesus for it to which several times Jesus would turn around & quote to them what they've heard from scripture but then tell them what it means. The meaning is much more important than the word used to express that meaning. If you don't think so, then argue with Jesus when you see Him.
As for me, I gave an answer to your question that asked for a subjective comment in return. I didn't do that to be ridiculed but to share in a thread that asked for an opinion. If you feel like proving me wrong in any way then next time word the OP in a way that is asking more of an objective response. It doesn't matter, really... because it is about the point. The point being here, we're going to disagree no matter what you say.
Sword7 said:You say you are a Rev. and yet you don't believe God preserved His word? Your tone doesn't come across as that of a man of God. you will get plenty of support and amens from bible agnostics and the modern versions/bible of the month lovers.
Why dos it matter that the God's words were written so long ago? Does God change? Does his word change? His doctrines? (1 Peter 1:25)
As for the pharisees, how did Jesus go around correcting people? By saying: "It is written." How did he deal with satan? By saying: It is written. Jesus said we err not knowing the scriprures and the Scriptures cannot be broken. A man of God would know this.
Do you know where the MVs come from, what texts? Do you know where the KJB comes from? If you do, you would know where God's preserved words are.
brandplucked said:Well, back when I was a Bible believer I only used the King James Bible, but now that I no longer believe in the infallibility of the Scriptures I sometimes use the NASB but once in awhile for a change of pace I pick up the NIV, and then if I am in the mood I'll go for my NKJV. Of course the old RSV is a pleasant read, and the Message is a real pick me upper too. But if you really want to get down and dirty then only "the original Hebrew and Greek" will do. The ESV is a "must have" version, but in a pinch the Amplified is sort of nice to have but when things get really tough I prefer the Cabbage Patch version and especially the Daffy Duck Bible
Will Kinney
Jesus and the NT writers quoted the LXX when they quoted the OT-- NOT a Hebrew text. So they approved of translations and considered them the Word of God. This means that as long as a translation uses the best documentary evidence and makes every effort to discover and faithfully preserve the original intent, it is the Word of God. And many modern versions qualify.
The fact is, God promised to preserve His word. (Ps. 12:6,7)Yet where is the preserved text in all these different versions that don't even agree with one another? Every few years we get either another "version" or an updated, "improved" revised edition of a previous one. Doesn't this make man the final authority, and not God?
Publishers and translators of these "new" bibles make changes to God's word. They must do this because their bible is copyrighted, which means it has to be different from previous bibles. Therefore, what we have are versions that don't agree. Words are omitted or changed where sometimes even the meaning itself changes.
No one is "casting doubt on the Word of God".
The original Greek and Hebrew are what all translations must be compared to, not the KJV.
KJVO has been a divisive force in the Body of Christ, causing discord and hostility.
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