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Bible Translation Versions..

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It has come across to me that some version releases of the Bible such as NIV (New International Version) should not be considered as the Words of God, but rather works of the devil. If you were to search on Google keywords such as "NIV EVIL" or "NIV vs KJV" there would be various websites explaining this all. Can this be clarified for me, in depth? Thank you all brothers and sisters...

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To start, I'm not a KJVO supporter.

I however wouldn't base any doctrine on a NIV or NLT over a KJV.

Here is the big difference...

The KJV is the only version that is translated from the Masoretic texts.

All other versions (NIV, NLT, Amplified, anything) come from something called the Alexandrian texts.

What's the difference between the two?
The Alexandrian texts do come first. The earliest copies we have are in about the 2nd century (don't quote me, I'm not up on my dates) and the the Masoretic text earliest copies are something like 1000 AD. So the Alexandrian defenitely predate the Masoretic.

However...

The Masoretic texts were written by Jewish scribes, who had meticulous methods of copying documents. I mean, it was their job and life, to copy things. They would do things like count all the letters in both manuscritps and if the middle letter wasn't the same, they'd burn the copy, no matter how many years went into making it.

Alexandrian texts on the other hand were a Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures (what the Old Testament was originally written in). Alexandria was a thriving place for paganism and other such crap. Because of these Alexandrian texts we get such things like the deuterocanonical books. These books were never in the orignal scriptures and were only put in at Alexandria.

Also, the Dead Sea scrolls that were found, which contain fragments of all the books of the Old Testament, except Ruth, are almost perfectly matched to the Masoretic texts. There are very very few minor differences between the Masoretic texts and the dead sea scrolls. The dead sea scrolls are dated to about 100, 200 BC. So they predate the Alexandrian texts.

So all in all, the Alexandrian texts have been corrupted, but really only canon wise, and not content wise (if you know what I mean?). However, I would take the Masoretic texts (KJV) over the Alexandrian (NIV) any day.

Peace

P.S. - I should also mention that the Catholics don't use either of these manuscripts but rather a latin translation called the vulgate. Around 400 AD.
 
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I don't see the big deal- if it is a work of the devil- he is not doing a very good job because don't they all say that Jesus was the son of God and that thou shall not have other gods before me etc. etc...
I think it is personal preference and I personally do not read KJV. I am too blonde I guess but I can't understand it :)
 
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To start, I'm not a KJVO supporter.

I however wouldn't base any doctrine on a NIV or NLT over a KJV.

Here is the big difference...

The KJV is the only version that is translated from the Masoretic texts.

All other versions (NIV, NLT, Amplified, anything) come from something called the Alexandrian texts.

What's the difference between the two?
The Alexandrian texts do come first. The earliest copies we have are in about the 2nd century (don't quote me, I'm not up on my dates) and the the Masoretic text earliest copies are something like 1000 AD. So the Alexandrian defenitely predate the Masoretic.

However...

The Masoretic texts were written by Jewish scribes, who had meticulous methods of copying documents. I mean, it was their job and life, to copy things. They would do things like count all the letters in both manuscritps and if the middle letter wasn't the same, they'd burn the copy, no matter how many years went into making it.

Alexandrian texts on the other hand were a Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures (what the Old Testament was originally written in). Alexandria was a thriving place for paganism and other such crap. Because of these Alexandrian texts we get such things like the deuterocanonical books. These books were never in the orignal scriptures and were only put in at Alexandria.

Also, the Dead Sea scrolls that were found, which contain fragments of all the books of the Old Testament, except Ruth, are almost perfectly matched to the Masoretic texts. There are very very few minor differences between the Masoretic texts and the dead sea scrolls. The dead sea scrolls are dated to about 100, 200 BC. So they predate the Alexandrian texts.

So all in all, the Alexandrian texts have been corrupted, but really only canon wise, and not content wise (if you know what I mean?). However, I would take the Masoretic texts (KJV) over the Alexandrian (NIV) any day.

Peace

P.S. - I should also mention that the Catholics don't use either of these manuscripts but rather a latin translation called the vulgate. Around 400 AD.
There are more than a few inaccuracies in what you say.

First the Masoretic Text is the authoritative Hebrew Text of the Old Testament. The Masoretes were the Jewish scholars who included vowel points in the text and, thereby, set the meaning of some passages that were otherwise obscure.

The Alexandrian texts are Greek New Testament manuscripts. The charge of corruption against the Alexandrian texts is made by KJVonly supporters. It is mostly a baseless claim used to deride the eclectic text of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament.

The Vulgate is, indeed, a Latin translation of the Scriptures. It was prepared by St. Jerome and its Old Testament was based, I believe on the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the OT. The Septuagint included Greek writings that were not found in the Hebrew texts. These are included in Catholic editions of the Bible under the title "deuteroncanonical" books. It should be pointed out that, while modern Catholic Bibles still follow the scholarship of the Vulgate, they are based on the same Greek and Hebrew manuscripts as other Modern translations. A quick read of the introduction to any Bible usually reveals its textual basis.

As for the differences between the KJV and NIV, they are twofold. First is the underlying Greek and Hebrew texts. The NIV uses an eccentric Greek text which is close, but by no means equivalent to the UBS text I mentioned above. Most other modern translations (with the exception of the NKJV and a few others) use the UBS text.

The KJV NT is based on the so-called Textus Receptus which included a number of scribal errors and additions. The KJV OT is based, as Smilebomb says, on the Masoretic text, but so are most of the modern translations of the OT. Even the Catholic editions reference the Masoretic text.

The other difference is translation philosophy. The KJV was translated in a very literal fashion. In a fw passages, it is so literally translated as to make little sense. This in no way diminishes the value of the KJV.

The NIV is much less literal in its style of translation. It seeks to preserve the meaning and thoughts of the original rather than word for word equivalence. I like the NIV for sheer readablity, but I don't consider it a scholarly resource.

Does this mean that the NIV is evil? Hardly. Many of the arguments made by the KJVonly advocates are specious at best. The KJV is no more perfect a translation than the NIV. It is only different.
 
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I am NOT a KJV basher; however, two things I dont understand about KJV-Onlyism is:

Which revision of the KJV is inspired since it was revised ten times? In 1611 or in one of the years when major/minor revisions took place?—in 1613, 1629, 1638, 1644, 1664, 1701, 1744, 1762, 1769, or 1850? :scratch:


The KJV translators translated the Apocrypha and included these books in the original 1611 edition. If the KJV translation was inspired, does this mean that the Apocrypha is inspired by God also? And if so, why was the Apocrypha removed from later editions? :scratch:
 
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The charge of corruption against the Alexandrian texts is made by KJVonly supporters. It is mostly a baseless claim used to deride the eclectic text of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament.

From my knowledge, the Alexandrian texts had the Apocrapha. That is corruption. They were a center of heresy and paganism, and like I said, I'm not a KJVO supporter. In fact, I prefer the NIV over all the others really (but not for doctrine). However, this is a fact, not an opinion, Alexandria was a corrupt place.
 
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From my knowledge, the Alexandrian texts had the Apocrapha. That is corruption. They were a center of heresy and paganism, and like I said, I'm not a KJVO supporter. In fact, I prefer the NIV over all the others really (but not for doctrine). However, this is a fact, not an opinion, Alexandria was a corrupt place.
We may be using different language for the same thing. The Septuagint (abbreviated LXX), the Greek translation of the OT, which included the apocryphal or deuterocanonical books and additions, is called "Alexandrian" by some KJVonly supporters. They deny the antiquity of the LXX and, I think, try to dismiss the authority of the LXX by so branding it.

Technically, though, the Alexandrian text type refers to a family of Greek New Testament manuscripts.

Whether or not Alexandria was a corrupt place says little as to the authenticity of the NT manuscripts preserved there.

And, like you, I like the NIV for reading, but don't consider it scholarly or authoritative.

:) (I'd like a smiley flashing a "peace sign")
 
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If accurate translation and readilibility of the Bible into English from Hebrew and Greek texts, then I would go with the New American Standard Version. This is the most literal translation of the Bible text available in English today.

I would not completely dismiss some older translations, like the KJV, because they do translate well from the original language.

Also, as to the NIV, I would agree that the tendency for the NIV to not be good in doctrine study. The organization that translates it and tries to keep the language within the changing nature of current English and readibility according to the ideas of the original authors has deviated. It is now currently using "poltically-culture correct language" in translation. For example, to appear to not try and be sexist they are modifying the English words for statements that are very masculine in the original text bynature and trying to make them sound more nuetral.

My opnion, stick with the NASB.
 
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I don't see the big deal- if it is a work of the devil- he is not doing a very good job because don't they all say that Jesus was the son of God and that thou shall not have other gods before me etc. etc...
I think it is personal preference and I personally do not read KJV. I am too blonde I guess but I can't understand it :)
Yes it is the work of the devil .
The devil is always winning little all the time and is putting little or should we say small things together.
Think about it in cartoon we can see some magic(wicca) true.
In movies we can see evil figthing evil and evil winning over evil.
With this the Devil is trying to gain or tempting pepole into wicca,
he is always figthing against God and is trying to be like God.
We should figth back in the same way by putting Jesus in
cartoons not the other way.
 
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