bible publishers

[meliz]

I just saw a youtube video about bibles published by Zondervan. The lady narrating the video states that Zondervan is owned by HarperCollins, which is essentially led by Rupert Murdoch. I *think* HarperCollins also owns Nelson. The lady states that Rupert Murdoch is also a producer of pornography and that HarperCollins also publishes something called Satan's bible.

I'm not sure what to think about this. I think the woman's goal in the video was to convince us that we should not be using Zondervan bibles, specifically the NIV (I think she claims Zondervan owns the rights to the NIV) because of ties to HarperCollins and Rupert Murdoch. What are your thoughts on this?

 

[ebia]

I just saw a youtube video about bibles published by Zondervan. The lady narrating the video states that Zondervan is owned by HarperCollins, which is essentially led by Rupert Murdoch. I *think* HarperCollins also owns Nelson. The lady states that Rupert Murdoch is also a producer of pornography and that HarperCollins also publishes something called Satan's bible.

I'm not sure what to think about this. I think the woman's goal in the video was to convince us that we should not be using Zondervan bibles, specifically the NIV (I think she claims Zondervan owns the rights to the NIV) because of ties to HarperCollins and Rupert Murdoch. What are your thoughts on this?

's a red herring.

It is ultimately owned by News Corp. most of what we do involves the multinationals at some level.

 

[juvenissun]

I just saw a youtube video about bibles published by Zondervan. The lady narrating the video states that Zondervan is owned by HarperCollins, which is essentially led by Rupert Murdoch. I *think* HarperCollins also owns Nelson. The lady states that Rupert Murdoch is also a producer of pornography and that HarperCollins also publishes something called Satan's bible.

I'm not sure what to think about this. I think the woman's goal in the video was to convince us that we should not be using Zondervan bibles, specifically the NIV (I think she claims Zondervan owns the rights to the NIV) because of ties to HarperCollins and Rupert Murdoch. What are your thoughts on this?

If you are not going to dig into this matter, then the best thing you can do is try to find something wrong with the NIV Bible.

 

[meliz]

This isn't any criticism of the NIV on my part. I own a Zondervan NIV. I also own an NASB published by Zondervan. What do you think I should do to "dig in" to this matter? I went to various websites and confirmed that, yes, Zondervan and Thomas Nelson publishers are owned by HarperCollins, which is owned by News Corp, as ebia pointed out. I'm just wondering what others think. My personal thoughts are that it's nearly impossible to not use anything owned by News Corp. Their "products" are everywhere.

 

[drjean]

I think the previously published Bibles are ok... it's that some of the key Bible publishers "recently" announced changes in what editions they would be printing in the future will be made to appeal to the masses, showing more tolerance and less offense.

 

[Radagast]

I just saw a youtube video about bibles published by Zondervan. The lady narrating the video states that Zondervan is owned by HarperCollins, which is essentially led by Rupert Murdoch.

That's not relevant. Murdoch may make money out of selling Bibles, but he has no influence on Zondervan.

 

[juvenissun]

This isn't any criticism of the NIV on my part. I own a Zondervan NIV. I also own an NASB published by Zondervan. What do you think I should do to "dig in" to this matter? I went to various websites and confirmed that, yes, Zondervan and Thomas Nelson publishers are owned by HarperCollins, which is owned by News Corp, as ebia pointed out. I'm just wondering what others think. My personal thoughts are that it's nearly impossible to not use anything owned by News Corp. Their "products" are everywhere.

So, what is the worry?

 

[meliz]

So, what is the worry?

I don't recall expressing any worry. I wanted to know some opinions of other Christians.

 

[meliz]

That's not relevant. Murdoch may make money out of selling Bibles, but he has no influence on Zondervan.

Very good point

 

[L0NEW0LF]

This is interesting. Like I have said before in Christian Scriptures, before I had any clue about bible translations outside of the KJV, I felt conviction when considering the NIV and Zondervan bibles. I felt the Holy Spirit telling me to avoid them and that they are corrupt and evil. Now knowing this information, and that the NIV is identical to the Jehova's Witness bible, it's obvious as to why. I'm not a KJV onlyist, but I am a KJV mainlyist. In this day and age it seems like everything is corrupt.

 

[Striver]

It's the vehicle of publication, and nothing more. God can use a variety of means to get his Word out there, and if we go back to the KJV, then we could find "guilty associations" there as well. Thomas Nelson publishes KJVs, for example.

 

[juvenissun]

I don't recall expressing any worry. I wanted to know some opinions of other Christians.

OK.

If there is a good evidence that any Bible publisher also published pornography, then I will stop using their Bible.

Otherwise, if the Bible has nothing wrong, then simply use it.

 

[Radagast]

I felt conviction when considering the NIV and Zondervan bibles. I felt the Holy Spirit telling me to avoid them and that they are corrupt and evil.

Some people might think Murdoch is corrupt and evil, but there are no grounds for believing that the NIV is. He wasn't involved in producing it.

and that the NIV is identical to the Jehova's Witness bible

That is utterly untrue. Compare them: NIV is very different from the JW bible.

Why would you pass on such an obvious falsehood? Lies do not come from the Holy Spirit.

 

[ebia]

OK.

If there is a good evidence that any Bible publisher also published pornography, then I will stop using their Bible.

Otherwise, if the Bible has nothing wrong, then simply use it.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that Zondervan publish pornography - they don't.

But it is a straightforward fact that Zondervan are ultimately owned by News Corp, and that News Corp own other business that do.

 

[Albion]

Now knowing this information, and that the NIV is identical to the Jehova's Witness bible, it's obvious as to why.

There isn't any truth to that claim. Get a copy of each and compare them.

 

[L0NEW0LF]

Every verse excluded in the NIV is also excluded in the NWT. A simple search is eye-opening.

 

[Radagast]

Every verse excluded in the NIV is also excluded in the NWT. A simple search is eye-opening.

1) You changed your tune very quickly. That's a very different claim from your previous false one.

2) The NIV doesn't exclude verses, instead the KJV has extra verses that were not in the original.

3) Your new claim is still false: the NIV has verses not in the NWT.

A simple search is indeed eye-opening!

 

[Albion]

Every verse excluded in the NIV is also excluded in the NWT. A simple search is eye-opening.

I don't know what you mean by "every verse excluded" but the two are NOT what you claimed--identical. No, they are not.

Just take a look at John 1:1ff, the most famous passage testifying to Jesus being God. The NIV, like most other versions, reads "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The NWT reads "...was a god." Are the two identical? And that's just one example.

 

[L0NEW0LF]

Identical was a poor choice of a word on my part. I have recently read an article about the NIV vs the NWT. Every verse excluded in the NIV is also excluded in the NWT. I haven't personally gone through the whole list myself, but it's all over the internet (just Google it) and many people seem to agree. I doubt it's a lie. I will never spend money on the atrocity known as the NWT, or even the NIV, so I won't be personally checking each and every verse.

 

[Albion]

Identical was a poor choice of a word on my part. I have recently read an article about the NIV vs the NWT. Every verse excluded in the NIV is also excluded in the NWT. I haven't personally gone through the whole list myself, but it's all over the internet (just Google it) and many people seem to agree. I doubt it's a lie. I will never spend money on the atrocity known as the NWT, or even the NIV, so I won't be personally checking each and every verse.

Thanks. I did do the Google check, read the NIV in the verses indicated, and it verifies what you said. Why the NWT would parallel the NIV in this regard is unknown to me, however, since the omissions don't seem to strengthen the case for any JW doctrines. I will be sticking with my KJV in any case.