What is wrong with the idea of a religious legislator opening the book of his Faith during every meeting that the legislature has? So if he's Muslim, sure allow him to have his Qu'ran. If he's Christian, allow him to have his Bible. But what would be wrong in doing this? I think nothing; I think the Legislature would be better for it.
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Why do you ask? Has someone told you it's wrong? And why would opening one's book of faith have any impact on a legislature? Any more than opening Tom Swift or Modern Carpentry 2 ed.?
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Establishment clause, religion and politics do not and should not ever mix, and to what purpose would opening the bible play when determining laws that are secular in nature.
You are just pushing for a theocracy in a back door method.
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I would think it prudent to encourage legislators (as constituents) to do such a thing. And Ophidiaphile so you think this violates the establishment clause?
What about the fact Congress has chaplains and has chaplain led prayers for Congress? What about the President swearing in on the Bible? Your argument is just worthless.
What about the fact Congress has chaplains and has chaplain led prayers for Congress? What about the President swearing in on the Bible? Your argument is just worthless.
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To answer why it matters; a Protestant must believe in 'sola scriptura' "The Bible Alone".
One Christian man with a Bible is superior to any pope or council or tradition without it.
Therefore, the Congress should show that it is not inferior to their constituents but representative of them; and have a Bible present.
One Christian man with a Bible is superior to any pope or council or tradition without it.
Therefore, the Congress should show that it is not inferior to their constituents but representative of them; and have a Bible present.
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There's nothing wrong with it. Not a blessed thing. The Senators & members of Congress can keep anything on their desks that they like: a Bible, a picture of their family, a Barbie doll, anything. It's their desk & they can decorate it as they see fit.
'Twould be kind of disrespectful to the Bible though - to treat it as some sort of idol or magical talisman or stunt. It's a book that's meant to be read, not to be used as a fetish.
'Twould be kind of disrespectful to the Bible though - to treat it as some sort of idol or magical talisman or stunt. It's a book that's meant to be read, not to be used as a fetish.
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It's not disrespectful anymore than it is when the Bible is opened in a Church, or Lodge of Masons, or anywhere else to cast its light upon the group.
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Not all of their constituents are going to believe in their religion, and even more so of their particular blend.
Haven't really brought anything to the table to show how it would improve legislature.
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In most churches, when we open the Bible we then proceed to read out of it.
And the Lodges are using the Book of the Law as an idol, which I never did like, even when I was attending regularly.
It doesn't "cast its light" unless the words are read, you see.
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The prayers need to be done away with as religion and politics do not mix.
And there are far more Christians in name only politicians than you care to know.
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I think when people are working they should be concentrating on that, not whatever other interests or hobbies they might have, including religion.
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Feel free to commit a crime that you think the bible condones, and explain your reasoning to the cops. I really don't think they'll care. I'm personally ok with the President swearing in on whatever he wants to, if he's a religious man let him use his holy book of choice. If I were elected president, I would swear in on a copy of the constitution or the bill of rights, because those documents are more sacred to me than a bible.
You mean you don't judge Christians.
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I'm for that. Certainly tax dollars don't need to be going to pay for Congressional chaplains. Our Senators & members of Congress are perfectly free to attend the church of their choice, and if they want to begin their day with prayer (as I do) then they should jolly well get down on their knees and pray before they leave the house in the morning.
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I have no problem with my legislatures opening and reading the bible every day provided that they don't disrupt government proceedings to do it and that they legislate for everyone, not just the Christians.
In fact, I suspect that many Christian and Republican lawmakers could really use some brushing up on the two great commandments and Jesus' stance on the poor.
In fact, I suspect that many Christian and Republican lawmakers could really use some brushing up on the two great commandments and Jesus' stance on the poor.
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I'm not asking for them to read of it; but to have it present because of a multitude of reasons; first the affirmation of faith which is important (whoever it was that thought the Bible being opened is as an idol, needs to learn the scriptural definition of idol), but more so the "Sola Scriptura" if I spelled that right. The affirmation of the power of a man acting in accordance with the Bible.
I feel with the crap hitting the fan (and I mean morally speaking in terms of law), the Bible is more needed now than ever and Christians should to urge their legislators to do this. Maybe then they'd have some sense again when making laws.
And you cannot find one action condoned by Jesus Christ that is "unlawful" today.
I feel with the crap hitting the fan (and I mean morally speaking in terms of law), the Bible is more needed now than ever and Christians should to urge their legislators to do this. Maybe then they'd have some sense again when making laws.
And you cannot find one action condoned by Jesus Christ that is "unlawful" today.
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