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Ah, but if a man uses a saw to cut a piece of wood, don't we say that the man cut the wood? We don't say, "The man caused to saw to cut the wood."
it is perfectly reasonable to say, "X did such-a-thing" even if we mean, "X used a tool to produce a particular outcome."
Doesn't matter if X is a man and the tool is a saw and the outcome is a cut piece of wood, or if X is God, the tool is evolution by natural selection and the outcome is life.
So, biblically, when it says that the Earth brought forth the grasses and the tree and all the other plants, I choose to take that as meaning that God set into motion the process of biological evolution and he used that as a tool (if I had to take the Bible as an accurate account, that is).
And I don't see how you can say otherwise. After all, the King James Bible is perfectly capable of stating when God is making something himself, as it does in Genesis 1:16 when it says that God himself made the two lights.
Now, shouldn't you read that and ask why it describes the creation of living things one way, and the creation of non-living things another way? There must be a reason, yes? Maybe because the Bible is trying to tell you that God created the non-living things directly, and yet created the living things using a process.
I think this satisfies amply your request for a Biblical justification for evolution.
And I don't see how you can say otherwise. After all, the King James Bible is perfectly capable of stating when God is making something himself, as it does in Genesis 1:16 when it says that God himself made the two lights.
How many times must it be pointed out to you that ToE does not explain how life came to be. All it does is explain how life evolves. ToE is the most peer reviewed and scrutinised scientific theory and has passed unscathed. Biology makes no sense without ToE. Medicine makes no sense without biology. All the above make no sense without the science of Chemistry. Chemistry makes no sense without the Atomic theory and Atomic theory makes no sense without particle physics.Science does not accept Jesus as creator of all things without the use of evolution.
Ive never read a science book in all my years of schooling that ever mentioned the name of Jesus. So yeah, It may just be a giant conspiracy.
How many times must it be pointed out to you that ToE does not explain how life came to be. All it does is explain how life evolves. ToE is the most peer reviewed and scrutinised scientific theory and has passed unscathed. Biology makes no sense without ToE. Medicine makes no sense without biology. All the above make no sense without the science of Chemistry. Chemistry makes no sense without the Atomic theory and Atomic theory makes no sense without particle physics.
Now since all the above fields of science have produced working results and have predicted many things then it is up to you to prove your creationist idea as one that refutes science.
The bible does not mention dinosaurs, the space shuttle, Uranus, Pluto, Crab nebula, and millions of other discoveries ad infinitum.
Creationism is nothing more than a myth that dates back to ancient Sumerian creation myths.
Really now! Why don't you just stick to the spiritual side of religion and leave science to do what it does best: Give answers and make things work!
O really? How do you test earthquakes? Or is the science of geophysics a religion too?Science is strictly what we can observe, test and repeat - as any science dictionary will tell you.
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Let the creationists speak:Creationists don't claim creationism is scientific.
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You don't -- you reduce the data down to computer software, then program the computer to 404 everytime something contradictory -- (like a miracle) -- threatens it.O really? How do you test earthquakes? Or is the science of geophysics a religion too?
How do you test sun flares? How do you repeat craters on the moon?
You don't -- you reduce the data down to computer software, then program the computer to 404 everytime something contradictory -- (like a miracle) -- threatens it.
(I know -- you technically don't program computers to 404 --)
It speaks of it, but does it mean it? The Bible speaks of good Samaratans, but the point isn't whether those specific individuals actually exist. Perhaps the same is true with Genesis; perhaps God's point isn't to dictate a literal account of history, but to describe the overarching narrative of his relationship with man and the world.
Perhaps "In the beginning..." is the same as saying "Once upon a time..." - it doesn't dictate an absolute beginning 6000 years ago, but is merely setting the scene. Perhaps Adam and Eve are figureheads for man and woman, for humanity in general, rather than two literal people.
So the Bible speaks of Creation, but how do you know it's trying to get across a literal account, rather than a metaphorical account? After all, both would begin with "In the beginning..."
Goodness the wonders you can glean from the AV, the pre-existence of plants!!! Don't see how that helps you, you still have plants arriving on earth after God creates Adam instead of three days before.Actually, so much for the earth being responsible for the evolution of plants since God had already created them before he placed them in the Earth.
He only commanded the Earth to bring forth the plants he already created. Kinda like when we plant a seed, the Earth doesn't create the seed, it brings the plant or seed forth.
Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a man to till the ground.
Really? And what is oxydized then? Because you can't have reduction without oxydation.you reduce the data
Easy, it discounts evolution of plants. Biblically speaking.Goodness the wonders you can glean from the AV, the pre-existence of plants!!! Don't see how that helps you, you still have plants arriving on earth after God creates Adam instead of three days before.
I searched, I searched, But I couldn't find, no place in the Bible that says such a lie.....
Then why is teen pregnancy higher within religious groups?2 Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
I don't see how this relates to his post anyway but ok.Then why is teen pregnancy higher within religious groups?
If you've followed his posts, you'd also notice that his response was also non-sequitur. So I was just replying in kind.I don't see how this relates to his post anyway but ok.
Teen pregnancy rates are still the highest in religious states.Religious does not = Christian.
Teen pregnancy rates are still the highest in religious states.
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