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I go for vaccinations against flu and Hep and things, for my asthma medication, for antibiotics if I get a bacterial infection, etc. Somehow I don't think it's luck that means


I have heard you mention a couple of times that you suffer with asthma. I know that you have heard this and it might be different for some people but there is no doubt that this works for me. Proper diet. Avoid dairy products, bread, white sugar, salt ect . Well, I am sure you know the list. Eat your fill of omega 3's and drink eight 8 ounce glasses of water everyday. Sometimes I fall into temptation and eat what I shouldn't, if i do in moderation it doesn't affect me much, but if i eat too much I start to get wheezy. As soon as the wheeziness starts I go on a fast. If I have nothing but water for 2 or 3 days all symptoms completely gone. The lungs of a 20 year old. I was prescribed asthma medication years back and was told to take it regularly. Never used it or needed to for over 10 years now. Just have to eat properly. I know you know about this but I was just wondering maybe there is something in your diet that might not be on the usual lists that you might not of thought of.
 
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You cant come to a conclusion, observe or test something that is eternal.

Then the Bible cannot be true, as God cannot have been observed. Observation would include talking to God, seeing God, feeling his presence and so on. Furthermore, you cannot come to a conclusion about his existence, according to your own claim. Unless, of course, God is not eternal.
 
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Please don't take this advice.

Asthma is caused by antigen/allergen triggered IgE cross linkage and a resultant de granulation of basophils and histamine release. Which antigens trigger an asthmatic attack is entirely dependent on the individual, although there are some common antigens, such as house dust mite poo and pollen.

Just because Son of the King suffers from a mild form of Asthma which appears on his anecdotal evidence to be food related, do not assume your condition is the same.

You could on the other hand ask a doctor to do a prick test.
 
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I am sure Wiccan_Child is smarter than that and I am sure he is up on all info needed. Sometimes you can here something from an unlikely source that could help. That was my only intention. And i did say "I know that you have heard this and it might be different for some people but there is no doubt that this works for me." Of course the Doc would know more. My asthma attacks were not mild by the way.
 
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You cant come to a conclusion, observe or test something that is eternal.

So is God not eternal or are you not supposed to Test God according to Melachi ?

10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in thissays the LORD Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.
 
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No, the sun doesn't have to be involved.

Day:
It's astonishing how such inaccuracy is overlooked. That is a totally mislead conclusion, even according to the definitions from the websites you quoted. Looks like you conveniently left out parts of the definition of "day," also known as a solar day. See, solar time is how we conceive the passage of time, and this is based on the sun's position in the sky. To say that the sun is not needed for this process is just pure stupidity, and the main reason why yec should be dismissed by any cerebral person.

From the definition on American Heritage in relation to Astronomy:
"a division of time equal to the time elapsed between two consecutive returns of the same terrestrial meridian to the sun."

From the definition on Britannica:
"The apparent solar day is the time between two successive transits of the Sun over the same meridian."

And from the definition on Columbia:
"[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The ordinary day, or solar day, is measured relative to the sun, being the time between successive passages of the sun over a stationary observer's celestial meridian."


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Looks like you conveniently left out parts of the definition of "day," also known as a solar day.
I'd leave a lot more out too, if the situation warranted.

God called it "day", and that's good enough for me -- I don't have any plans for plutoing the term.

Whatever science gets in the way of considering it anything other than what God called it has my permission to take a hike.

And just out of curiosity, what do you think it should be called? year? eon? eopch? era? week? second?
To say that the sun is not needed for this process is just pure stupidity, and the main reason why yec should be dismissed by any cerebral person.
First of all, I'm not a YEC, as any 'cerebral person' who has dealt with me for any length of time can attest I claim.

Second of all, if God makes it plain the sun wasn't there, and calls a passage of time a 'day' -- I promise you I'll be calling it a 'day' as well.

Third, in eternity future, which is after the 7th (and last) dispensation, God makes it clear that we will have no need of the sun, yet there's passages of time mentioned.

Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
 
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Says who?
Can we? And do we?

Do you believe the Bible?

Because you say so?
Can we? And do we?

So is God not eternal or are you not supposed to Test God according to Melachi ?
Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.


Try this by testing God and see if it works. Let me know.
 
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By the way, eolopez, just so you won't feel it is just you against the Bible on this issue -- here -- you can disagree with Wikipedia as well:
Wikipedia said:
Chapter one describes the creation of the world by Elohim (God), by means of divine incantation in six days and the designation of the seventh day as Sabbath, a holy (set apart) day of rest.
I don't think an everyone-is-wrong-but-I attitude is going to cut it though.
 
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Yes you do. That's exactly what you're doing. As you said, you would leave more out of the provided definition.

Well if you take day to mean 24 hours I see no reason why the sun needed for those hours to transpire is so opposing. It doesn't matter what it's called to me, but to settle your curiosity I'm sure it is referring to 24 hours. That is solar time....

Then I question whether those people are really cerebral. If you do not view the earth as young then to you it is old. Though if you understood the earth as such you would likewise understand the planets started to form way after the sun was. Out of curiosity, what is your view on evolution then?

I'm sure you will. Eternity future seems contradictory; there can be no future in eternity since eternity implies timelessness and future implies a time period after the present. Having said that, none of what you're saying is clear.
 
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By the way, eolopez, just so you won't feel it is just you against the Bible on this issue -- here -- you can disagree with Wikipedia as well:

I don't think an everyone-is-wrong-but-I attitude is going to cut it though.
Just so you know Wiki is merely relaying the information, not saying anything is true. I could quote something from there about TE, so what?
 
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I'm sorry, I thought i posted some passages which could be interpreted as supporting evolution in the post which originally led you to invite me to participate in this thread. Are you forgetting those passages?

If the Big Bang is true, do you believe we will one day be able to trace everything back to the beginning?

We've got all but the first few seconds, last i heard.

Ah, but since we don't have those first few seconds, that must mean science is wrong?

Yes, it would be eternal.

But it would not be metaphysical and it would not be supernatural.

You cant come to a conclusion, observe or test something that is eternal.

Then how did you come to your conclusions about God if you believe you can't come to conclusions about eternal things?

Oh, and you haven't responded at all to my previous post. Are you not talking to me anymore?
 
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By the way, eolopez, just so you won't feel it is just you against the Bible on this issue -- here -- you can disagree with Wikipedia as well:

I don't think an everyone-is-wrong-but-I attitude is going to cut it though.

You've never given up on it.
 
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Is that the same wiki article that says:
In academic circles the Genesis creation narrative is often described as a creation or cosmogonic myth. The word myth comes from the Greek root for "story" or "legend", and describes a culturally significant or sacred account explaining the origins of existence by using metaphorical language and symbolism to express ideas. In academic use, the term myth generally does not pass judgment on the truth or falsity of the story.[42] The text has also been variously described as historical narrative[43][44] (i.e., a literal account); as mythic history (i.e., a symbolic representation of historical time); as ancient science (in that, for the original authors, the narrative represented the current state of knowledge about the cosmos and its origin and purpose); and as theology (as it describes the origin of the earth and humanity in terms of God).[45]​
 
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]I'm sorry, I thought i posted some passages which could be interpreted as supporting evolution in the post which originally led you to invite me to participate in this thread. Are you forgetting those passages?
Repost them here please



We've got all but the first few seconds, last i heard.
The first few of which Big Bang? which beginning? The Big Bang theory has many theories, one of which suggests Multiple Bangs.

Ah, but since we don't have those first few seconds, that must mean science is wrong?
Why dont we have the first few seconds?



But it would not be metaphysical and it would not be supernatural.
If you say so



Then how did you come to your conclusions about God if you believe you can't come to conclusions about eternal things?
I believe what the Bible tells me. I believe by Faith.

How do you come to conclusions of eternal things?

Oh, and you haven't responded at all to my previous post. Are you not talking to me anymore?
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Please repost it or give me the post number. Thanks.
 
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I like to think I have a good diet, but I know I don't My allergies are animal-based (cats and guinea pigs, for some reason), and my long-term and short term inhalers (Clenil Modulite and Ventolin) have worked wonders. I shall take your advice into consideration, though - if it means I don't have to take a couple of puffs each day, it's worth it
 
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