Bible Believing Liberals.

[BigNorsk]

Is the name of a good article which talks about the liberals who think of themselves as conservatives. This lays out the differences.

Meet the Bible-believing liberals. While they believe that the culture needs to return to its historic traditions, they think the Church needs to abandon hers. While maintaining that the Flag should be proudly displayed, they fear that a cross in Church might offend seekers. While they believe men and women have defined roles in marriage and family, they don’t see why a woman can’t replace a man in the pulpit. While outraged that our schools cater to the lowest-common denominator, they think our churches need to be geared toward the unchurched. They believe that public policy should be based on objective facts, but preaching should be based on felt needs. They want “under God” in Pledge of Allegiance, but omit the Apostles’ Creed from the Sunday service. They want the Ten Commandments in the public square, but are unconcerned when those commandments are replaced with “principles for living” in the pulpit. To the Bible-believing liberal, the ceremonies of a presidential inauguration are meaningful and inspiring, but the Sunday morning liturgy is boring. For the Bible-believing liberal, the differences between political parties are serious, but the differences between Christian denominations are petty. While they insist on a strict literal interpretation of the US Constitution, they play fast and loose with the Bible and its theology, even while maintaining its inerrancy and inspiration. These are the Bible-believing liberals.

Read the entire article.

Comments?

Are many of the people who think of themselves as conservatives just conservative in social matters and liberal in theology?

Marv

 

[GreenMunchkin]

That brand of Christianity makes no sense to me. How can someone claim to be a Bible-believing Christian and be so luke-warm towards it?

Makes no sense. According to Way of the Master, roughly 90% of people who become a Christian through seeker-friendly methods backslide.

People can't be teased and cajoled into Christianity. The people in the article have it absolutely 100% topsy turvy inside out.

 

[Criada]

Can't agree with this, and it is very sad.
But - do we need a liberal-bashing thread? Cos, seems to me we are at risk of doing what we get upset at others for here....


EDIT: sorry if that sounds judgemental - not meant to be! Just - we need to be careful...

 

[Simon_Templar]

They aren't bible believing liberals. They are cultural conservatives who either don't know better, or simply don't care about what the bible actually teaches, but simply want it remade in the image of their vision of our culture.

 

[Albion]

Is the name of a good article which talks about the liberals who think of themselves as conservatives. This lays out the differences.
Read the entire article.

Comments?

Thanks for this interesteing article.

It lays the situation out pretty well, IMO, and that's not easy to do with a cause that is based upon contraditions.

On the other hand, if anyone were to ask how Liberalism can be made sense of -- by Liberals or opponents, either -- it is this. Liberalism is grounded on the idea of what is right for the individual. Whereas that at one time in history meant leaving the individual alone and free, it morphed under the pressure and presence of Socialism into being whatever the Liberals themselves thought (and still do think) is GOOD FOR the individual.

 

[LivingLifeHisWay]

That brand of Christianity makes no sense to me. How can someone claim to be a Bible-believing Christian and be so luke-warm towards it?

Makes no sense. According to Way of the Master, roughly 90% of people who become a Christian through seeker-friendly methods backslide.

People can't be teased and cajoled into Christianity. The people in the article have it absolutely 100% topsy turvy inside out.

The Way of the Master is an excellent resource. My hubby and I love the program.

 

[scraparcs]

That brand of Christianity makes no sense to me. How can someone claim to be a Bible-believing Christian and be so luke-warm towards it?

Makes no sense. According to Way of the Master, roughly 90% of people who become a Christian through seeker-friendly methods backslide.

People can't be teased and cajoled into Christianity. The people in the article have it absolutely 100% topsy turvy inside out.

Kind of like "foru.ms"?

 

[Criada]

Kind of like "foru.ms"?

God is still sovereign, sis! He will sort it out, just keep praying!
You are a blessing here, you know!

 

[BigNorsk]

That brand of Christianity makes no sense to me. How can someone claim to be a Bible-believing Christian and be so luke-warm towards it?

Makes no sense. According to Way of the Master, roughly 90% of people who become a Christian through seeker-friendly methods backslide.

People can't be teased and cajoled into Christianity. The people in the article have it absolutely 100% topsy turvy inside out.

You didn't read the article did you? Just after the part I quoted the article states that the whole point is "Bible-believing liberal" is an oxymoron.

Marv

 

[Criada]

You didn't read the article did you? Just after the part I quoted the article states that the whole point is "Bible-believing liberal" is an oxymoron.

Marv

It's not actually possible to read the article on your link - just get a title page and can't open it...
Or is that yet another mac problem?

 

[BigNorsk]

Can't agree with this, and it is very sad.
But - do we need a liberal-bashing thread? Cos, seems to me we are doing what we get upset at others for here....


EDIT: sorry if that sounds judgemental - not meant to be! Just

Sorry if you see it that way, it's just what the article calls itself and I'd be interested in hearing people's opinions. I think the article is making an interesting arguement that many who consider themselves conservative are not in theology conservative at all.

I think that situation actually leads to liberal bashing because if there's one group I see liberal bashing, it is the socially conservative, theologically liberal crowd. Groups that came to us out of that great liberal theology, social conservative movement of the 1800's that gave us things like Prohibition, a liberal theology and social conservative example, not to mention many Christians groups who now firmly believe that holding to a multitude of doctrines that never existed or were widely subscribed to until the 1800's is now the standard "conservative" position.

I thought it would be particularly important to discuss such things now as what is a conservative and who should be mods and such are being decided. Reading the posts here in the "Conservative" Forum, I really have to think that many of the people calling themselves conservatives are not conservative in doctrine at all.

Bashing doesn't really accomplish much of anything, but should there be discussion on what really is a conservative is there is going to be a conservative forum?

Marv

 

[Criada]

Sorry if you see it that way, it's just what the article calls itself and I'd be interested in hearing people's opinions. I think the article is making an interesting arguement that many who consider themselves conservative are not in theology conservative at all.

I think that situation actually leads to liberal bashing because if there's one group I see liberal bashing, it is the socially conservative, theologically liberal crowd. Groups that came to us out of that great liberal theology, social conservative movement of the 1800's that gave us things like Prohibition, a liberal theology and social conservative example, not to mention many Christians groups who now firmly believe that holding to a multitude of doctrines that never existed or were widely subscribed to until the 1800's is now the standard "conservative" position.

I thought it would be particularly important to discuss such things now as what is a conservative and who should be mods and such are being decided. Reading the posts here in the "Conservative" Forum, I really have to think that many of the people calling themselves conservatives are not conservative in doctrine at all.

Bashing doesn't really accomplish much of anything, but should there be discussion on what really is a conservative is there is going to be a conservative forum?

Marv

Sorry - wasn't getting at you, just pointing out a danger. And i know I worded it badly - have edited since! Only obviously after you quoted it.
I don't have any problem with what has been said here - just don't want any accusations flying around! We need to be careful to stick to talking about what we believe, rather than what others *don't* believe.
But then - i am possibly one of the less conservative conservatives!

 

[GreenMunchkin]

You didn't read the article did you? Just after the part I quoted the article states that the whole point is "Bible-believing liberal" is an oxymoron.

Marv

Nope, couldn't get to the article. But it sounds like we're all in agreement with what the article said, so it all ends well

 

[BigNorsk]

It's not actually possible to read the article on your link - just get a title page and can't open it...
Or is that yet another mac problem?

I don't know what the problem is, I checked it and it seems to work fine for me.

http://www.confessionallutherans.org/papers.html

would be the list of papers

Marv

 

[GreenMunchkin]

I don't know what the problem is, I checked it and it seems to work fine for me.

http://www.confessionallutherans.org/papers.html

would be the list of papers

Marv

Say, if you're not a member of the forum, you should totally sign up. It's multi-denominational. I know it's a little rulescentric at the moment, but we're working that out and then it's gonna be a bit of a haven Would be nice to see you around more.

 

[Criada]

I don't know what the problem is, I checked it and it seems to work fine for me.

http://www.confessionallutherans.org/papers.html

would be the list of papers

Marv

Still can't get beyond the title...