Bias against creationism in biology

[JustMeSee]

I believe there is a strong bias against creationism in the field of biology.
I believe we should have more creationists with doctorate level degrees in biology.

I hope to do my part in protesting at universities to stop discriminating against creationist seeking post graduate degrees in the fields of biology, primarily evolutionary biology.
I believe the University of Pennsylvania will be a good start for this peaceful protest.

Peace to all. I am short on sleep, but hope to hear your opinions on the idea of having more creationist biology doctors.

 

[selfinflikted]

Of course there's a bias against creationism!

Creationism is a MYTH. It is not science.

That said, I am not aware of any discrimination against creationists seeking post-graduate degrees.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Part of the reason is because many creationists abandon creationism when they begin to get more advanced in such studies.

 

[High Fidelity]

I believe there is a strong bias against creationism in the field of biology.
I believe we should have more creationists with doctorate level degrees in biology.

I hope to do my part in protesting at universities to stop discriminating against creationist seeking post graduate degrees in the fields of biology, primarily evolutionary biology.
I believe the University of Pennsylvania will be a good start for this peaceful protest.

Peace to all. I am short on sleep, but hope to hear your opinions on the idea of having more creationist biology doctors.

If they're adequately qualified then why wouldn't they be allowed?

The only reason I can think of creationists not being admitted to doctoral programmes is because the chances of them publishing something 'new' is probably slimmer given their narrow scope on the field.

Alas, one doesn't need a PhD to research or make a change in the world.

 

[Split Rock]

I believe there is a strong bias against creationism in the field of biology.
I believe we should have more creationists with doctorate level degrees in biology.

I hope to do my part in protesting at universities to stop discriminating against creationist seeking post graduate degrees in the fields of biology, primarily evolutionary biology.
I believe the University of Pennsylvania will be a good start for this peaceful protest.

Peace to all. I am short on sleep, but hope to hear your opinions on the idea of having more creationist biology doctors.

Poe's Law strikes again!!

 

[JustMeSee]

Poe's Law strikes again!!

Not really Poe. I am not a creationist, and am not pretending to be.

In my twisted mind, I would just love to go on campus and have a little rally and encourage creationists to pursue advanced biology.

Peace protest and discussion with college people.

No, I do not believe that creationists are in anyway blocked from admission to higher biology degrees. I just want more of them to seek that path of formal education.

I honestly believe they would give great contributions to this forum.

Not quite poe, I would just like to see more creationist biologists. Fun and harmless protests. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Not really Poe. I am not a creationist, and am not pretending to be.

In my twisted mind, I would just love to go on campus and have a little rally and encourage creationists to pursue advanced biology.

Peace protest and discussion with college people.

No, I do not believe that creationists are in anyway blocked from admission to higher biology degrees. I just want more of them to seek that path of formal education.

I honestly believe they would give great contributions to this forum.

Not quite poe, I would just like to see more creationist biologists. Fun and harmless protests. Sorry for the confusion.

Seriously though, learning the biology stuff tends to by itself end creationism perspectives. It isn't necessarily that they do not pursue the degrees, but that in doing so it creates an internal conflict that often ends in abandoning the creationist position.

 

[JustMeSee]

Of course there's a bias against creationism!

Creationism is a MYTH. It is not science.

That said, I am not aware of any discrimination against creationists seeking post-graduate degrees.

No, no discrimination. I don't see any in the college system. I just want to encourage pupils to pursue that path.

I believe creationist biologists would have views to share. Possibly get some peer reviewed research out there.

 

[JustMeSee]

Part of the reason is because many creationists abandon creationism when they begin to get more advanced in such studies.

Well, I would like to see more of them who do not abandon creationism.

Enter with a belief, and graduate with knowledge and the same belief in creationism.

Why should evidence and education change one's religious belief?

Maybe, with a strong religious background, a biology doctor can find errors and evidence to support some version of creationism.

I believe there can be people who have doctorates in biology, particularly that which studies germs and disease, who can be a form of creationist. I am being totally honest, no Poe's Law intended.

 

[NannaNae]

I believe there is a strong bias against creationism in the field of biology.
I believe we should have more creationists with doctorate level degrees in biology.

I hope to do my part in protesting at universities to stop discriminating against creationist seeking post graduate degrees in the fields of biology, primarily evolutionary biology.
I believe the University of Pennsylvania will be a good start for this peaceful protest.

Peace to all. I am short on sleep, but hope to hear your opinions on the idea of having more creationist biology doctors.

yes current biology hasn't even started asking the right questions yet.
and since their question start off invalid, the answer they come to can only be invalid... even if they find the
"proof" or "indisputable proof" that they want and always seem to find , it is all invalid.

 

[bhsmte]

Well, I would like to see more of them who do not abandon creationism.

Enter with a belief, and graduate with knowledge and the same belief in creationism.

Why should evidence and education change one's religious belief?

Maybe, with a strong religious background, a biology doctor can find errors and evidence to support some version of creationism.

I believe there can be people who have doctorates in biology, particularly that which studies germs and disease, who can be a form of creationist. I am being totally honest, no Poe's Law intended.

To honestly do advanced biology, a creationist would either have to compartmentalize their creationist belief very well, or play some serious mind games with themselves.

Any acceptance of advanced biology, is going to crater one's biblical creationist beliefs.

 

[JustMeSee]

Seriously though, learning the biology stuff tends to by itself end creationism perspectives. It isn't necessarily that they do not pursue the degrees, but that in doing so it creates an internal conflict that often ends in abandoning the creationist position.

Well, on the really small scale, there are changes in viruses and tiny life. That is almost impossible to argue. Isn't that part of biology easy to accept by anybody?

Expanding to larger life, can a biology doctor recognize evidence and continue to believe in creationist origins?

I am being really serious. Does biology formal education have to end the belief in a created origin?

If it is impossible to reach that level of formal education as a creationist, all my protest would do is to motivate creationist to abandon their belief of origins.

Likely, that would be counter to my effort.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Well, on the really small scale, there are changes in viruses and tiny life. That is almost impossible to argue. Isn't that part of biology easy to accept by anybody?

Expanding to larger life, can a biology doctor recognize evidence and continue to believe in creationist origins?

I am being really serious. Does biology formal education have to end the belief in a created origin?

If it is impossible to reach that level of formal education as a creationist, all my protest would do is to motivate creationist to abandon their belief of origins.

Likely, that would be counter to my effort.

There is a person on here who denied the existence of DNA and genes. Think on that for a moment.

 

[JustMeSee]

yes current biology hasn't even started asking the right questions yet.
and since their question start off invalid, the answer they come to can only be invalid... even if they find the
"proof" or "indisputable proof" that they want and always seem to find , it is all invalid.

Not proof I am speaking of. Proof is really not out there for that. There is evidence, which a doctor of biology could dissect.

A creationist doctor of biology Coyle then start asking the right questions, and pursue research which would show evidence for her origin beliefs.

I think this would be great. Biology doctors finding evidence for a creationist origin would be a big shift in understanding.

 

[WisdomSpy]

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread ... nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
-Isaac Azimov


Was your last quote referring primarily to American politics? I hope you realize that politics are inextricably linked to the funding for research, among other things. Did you happen to take the time to watch the documentary-style movie called No Intelligence Allowed, with Ben Stein? Is it intellectually honest for professors and universities to essentially declare; "Evolution is the answer...just don't ask any question that doesn't lead to that conclusion"?

I'm also curious...did you happen to read Antony Flew's book, THERE IS A GOD? I hope you realize that he was a long-term mouthpiece for the evolutionary worldview who essentially recanted the basic premises and conclusions of that view, based on following the evidence wherever it leads. Under your "logic", you would have to say that Flew was a good intellectual for many years but sadly became an anti-intellectual. If this is your opinion, it belies only propaganda rather than serious thinking.

 

[bhsmte]

Not proof I am speaking of. Proof is really not out there for that. There is evidence, which a doctor of biology could dissect.

A creationist doctor of biology Coyle then start asking the right questions, and pursue research which would show evidence for her origin beliefs.

I think this would be great. Biology doctors finding evidence for a creationist origin would be a big shift in understanding.

No one is stopping the discovery of evidence to support biblical creation. If people can find it, have at it.

 

[JustMeSee]

To honestly do advanced biology, a creationist would either have to compartmentalize their creationist belief very well, or play some serious mind games with themselves.

Any acceptance of advanced biology, is going to crater one's biblical creationist beliefs.

Well, maybe their beliefs can be reconsiled with biology evidence. Changes in belief don't necessarily mean abandonment. As we learn, there is plenty of room for modifying our core beliefs.

 

[bhsmte]

Well, maybe their beliefs can be reconsiled with biology evidence. Changes in belief don't necessarily mean abandonment. As we learn, there is plenty of room for modifying our core beliefs.

Depending on one's psychological makeup, people can reconcile a whole lot of beliefs, if the belief is important enough to them.

There is a reason, 99% of Phd biologists, agree quite strongly with the theory of evolution and some of those, are biologists who happen to be christian.

 

[JustMeSee]

There is a person on here who denied the existence of DNA and genes. Think on that for a moment.

Well, I am led to believe that person was lacking in knowledge, or had some evidence to support that claim. I don't know. Making stuff up or fibbing really has no benefit but to confuse people.

Denying something that you see as factual is a form of self denial. Not much to help that. Lying to oneself is harmful to the psyche.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Well, I am led to believe that person was lacking in knowledge, or had some evidence to support that claim. I don't know. Making stuff up or fibbing really has no benefit but to confuse people.

Denying something that you see as factual is a form of self denial. Not much to help that. Lying to oneself is harmful to the psyche.

My point is that there are people who stick their whole bodies in the sand rather than just their heads, just to emphasize the level of denial. You can physically touch DNA and see it, measure it, etc. It is a quirk of one of the ways people replicate DNA and study it, it becomes unwound enough that you can see it with the naked eye.