BEWARE OF UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION

mmksparbud said:

What free pass?

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Naaman got cured of his leprosy when not a single Israelite got cured. Even Naaman would have gone home uncured except that he listened to his servant plead for him to obey God's prophet. Others can disagree, and they will, but I call it a free pass.

Lazarus Short said:

It does not.
You are an expert, then, on both UR and Foxe's Book of Martyrs?
Oh, and once again: this same Jesus left the saved ninety and nine, to search for AND FIND the one lost sheep.

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Does the shepherd go out looking for wild sheep or only the sheep that were part of his flock to begin with?

Charlie24 said:

If one declares himself to be more knowledgeable than the translators of the 1611 KJV and sets out to revise the inspired words of God the Holy Spirit, then I suppose one can declare the nonexistence of hell or anything else.

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It sounds to me as if you are worshipping a book. Bad idea.

Charlie24 said:

He could even say that all will be saved and the inspired Word teaches that man will not be held responsible for his deliberate sins against a Holy God.

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We are saying NO SUCH THING. Stop with your uninformed false accusations.

Jesus is YHWH said:

If UR were true ( it’s heresy) then what is the point in serving God in the here and now.

Just sin like the devil and your false god will save you anyways .

What a mockery this false doctrine makes of Scripture.

hope this helps !!!

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Your post is an absolute triumph of ignorance and false accusations. Kudos.

Charlie24 said:

Yes I've read it many times.

According to universalism all will be saved, the punishment is a reduction in rewards, or something to that effect.

God doesn't give free passes such as this to man.

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I wish you would stop making ignorant statements and actually learn something about the greater hope.

Charlie24 said:

Again taken out of context.

Matt. 17:13-14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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You seem to be claiming that God predestined the vast majority (countless billions) of souls to eternal torture. Do you really believe in a God that would do that to his children, those created in his image? Horrors.

Jesus is YHWH said:

You have been biblically Trumped

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Because that is what Christian fellowship is all about... (sigh) Bible versus Bible? Lose/lose.

Saint Steven said:

Because that is what Christian fellowship is all about... (sigh) Bible versus Bible? Lose/lose.

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I actually use scripture and plenty of it to support my beliefs of historical Christianity of the church.

I see you ignored the plethora of scriptures I used that exposed your false doctrine of UR.

hope this helps !!!

Lazarus Short said:

Naaman got cured of his leprosy when not a single Israelite got cured. Even Naaman would have gone home uncured except that he listened to his servant plead for him to obey God's prophet. Others can disagree, and they will, but I call it a free pass.

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I disagree. He did what he was told to do, even if he had to get talked into it, he still did it.

Mat 21:28 But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
Mat 21:29 He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
Mat 21:30 And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
Mat 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

Jesus is YHWH said:

I actually use scripture and plenty of it to support my beliefs of historical Christianity of the church.

I see you ignored the plethora of scriptures I used that exposed your false doctrine of UR.

hope this helps !!!

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That is wonderful using Scripure & plenty of it. For the moment forget about the "plenty of it" for a nano-second>>>

Take 3 (Three)

This is a vital passage of Scripture, particularly because it is the ONLY one speaking of everlasting punishment by none other than the Lord Jesus Christ. Put on your reading glasses. Focus on this important word from the Master. It is really quite simple.

1. There is one (1) passage of Canon for “everlasting punishment” (Matt.25). This one single verse is the cornerstone for the proponents of unending punishment.
   
   According to the context of St. Matthew 25 and ONLY the context, please fill in the empty lines.
   
   The foundation for “everlasting punishment” Matt. 25=
   
   1.________________________________________?
   
   2.________________________________________?
   
   3.________________________________________?
   
   4.________________________________________?
   
   5.________________________________________?

FineLinen said:

That is wonderful using Scripure & plenty of it. For the moment forget about the "plenty of it" for a nano-second>>>

Take 3 (Three)

This is a vital passage of Scripture, particularly because it is the ONLY one speaking of everlasting punishment by none other than the Lord Jesus Christ. Put on your reading glasses. Focus on this important word from the Master. It is really quite simple.

1. There is one (1) passage of Canon for “everlasting punishment” (Matt.25). This one single verse is the cornerstone for the proponents of unending punishment.
   
   According to the context of St. Matthew 25 and ONLY the context, please fill in the empty lines.
   
   The foundation for “everlasting punishment” Matt. 25=
   
   1.________________________________________?
   
   2.________________________________________?
   
   3.________________________________________?
   
   4.________________________________________?
   
   5.________________________________________?

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CORRECTION every single passage below when examining ALL SCRIPTURE reveals all these passages below are talking about the same exact ETERNAL PUNISHMENT of the wicked. And for the readers in this thread I have it underlined and in BOLD proving all these passages are describing the same punishment for all unbelievers is eternal in the afterlife.

Mark 9:42-48
42 "And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. 45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. 47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48 where

"'their worm does not die,
and the fire is not quenched.'

Matt 8:11-13
11 "I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven; 12 but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Matt 13:41-43
41 "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 "Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Matt 13:49-50
49 "So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, 50 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matt 22:13-14
"Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' 14 "For many are called, but few are chosen."

Matt 24:48-51
48 "But if that evil slave says in his heart, 'My master is not coming for a long time,' 49 and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards; 50 the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, 51 and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matt 25:29-30
29 "For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. 30 "Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Matt 25:46

"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

2 Peter 2:1-9
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them — bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.


Jude 4-7, 12-13
4 For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home — these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

12 These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm — shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted — twice dead. 13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.


Rev 21:8
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars — their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

Rev 19:20-21
20 But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

Rev 20:10
10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 20:12-15
12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.


Scripture uses these terms and phrases as synonyms:


Unquenchable fire

Fiery hell

Black darkness

Outer darkness

Furnace of fire

Fire and brimstone

The smoke of their torment

The lake of fire which burns with brimstone

Where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched

The eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels


All of the above carry the same meaning and consequences for the wicked- ETERNAL TORMENT.

hope this helps !!!

Large Beware!

Your new glasses will open up new horizons of Him in more than black and white.

Houston We Have A Problem ! !

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“For the creation was made subject to futility, not willingly, but by reason of Him who has subjected the same in hope.”

Hopeless situation with HOPE at the foundation!

Big Bad BEWARE ! ! !

Plan A =

“For the creation was made subject to futility, not willingly, but by reason of Him who has subjected the same in hope.”

Alternate plan b =

The creation chose to be sinners by their own free choice.

The greater hope is that man will come to the saving knowledge of the gospel and escape the punishment described by Jesus is YHWH.

Charlie24 said:

The greater hope is that man will come to the saving knowledge of the gospel and escape the punishment described by Jesus is YHWH.

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That's part of it. Not sure if punishment is the right word though. Correction with the purpose of restoration. Not meaningless and endless torture. Sadistic. (therefore not God)

Charlie24 said:

The greater hope is that man will come to the saving knowledge of the gospel and escape the punishment described by Jesus is YHWH.

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That's the way, Jesus came to reveal a far worse fate awaits than sin and death. As all died in Adam, most get eternally fried in Christ.

Theology of doom. I pray you come to the saving knowledge of the gospel, which is glad tidings of great joy for all mankind.

Charlie24 said:

He didn't get a free pass, this is as ridiculous as the rest of your interpretations.

Now I know why you believe this false doctrine.

Naaman said after he was healed, "Now I know that there is no God in all the earth but in Israel."

He was saved the same way as Paul. God knows who will believe and He sets the stage for that to be made possible.

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Yes, God condescends to us and changes our hearts and minds. Jesus comes to free the slaves, liberate the captives and restore sight to the blind.

Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give. (Mt 10:8)

Shrewd Manager said:

That's the way, Jesus came to reveal a far worse fate awaits than sin and death. As all died in Adam, most get eternally fried in Christ.

Theology of doom. I pray you come to the saving knowledge of the gospel, which is glad tidings of great joy for all mankind.

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Right.
How can this be "good news that will cause great joy for all the people" if the vast majority will burn? (the bad news)

Luke 2:10
But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people.