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It just took information to remain a doubting Thomas. But it took faith to make the leap of becoming a believing disciple.An incredibly long stretch for some, but my mind takes things to ultimate conclusions.
Dear Lord: I truly appreciate You sitting on Your lifeguard tower while I am drowning..glug, glug, glug.
Why are You only a potential Saviour?
Yes. That's why I said...As for the Bible being a "Damnationist text," remember that I was able to confirm Universalism in the KJV.
You are still stretching you haven't made your point yet.
There is no changing the mind after death!
Yes. That's why I said...
...these verses are quite a find. It seems they got past the editors.
1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins,
and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
What is it you think He is going to do? Shove a red hot coal up your nose until you say uncle? He will not force---why is that so hard to comprehend?
Who told you that? Do you suppose we don't learn after the resurrection?
I will tell you exactly what the Lord Lesous will do. He will come off His Lifeguard tower and do what He does best: He will save every drowning and broken sinner!
Every last one: success rate 100%
State the verse that says anyone comes out of the lake of fire and spends eternity with Jesus. How do you suppose He will save those who do not want to be saved?
Don’t forget the verse:Yes. That's why I said...
...these verses are quite a find. It seems they got past the editors.
1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins,
and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
Typical heterodox cop-out. I'm not disappointed when heterodox folks can't support their beliefs.Sorry, but you will need to become accustomed to disappointment.
Dear Lady: It is called at one ment. Every last broken sinner is brought by the God of glory and grace Home by re- adjustment & rectification.
Success rate = 100 %
1 Jn 2:2 Atoning sacrifice for the whole world but not everyone will repent while it is day for the night is coming when no man may work. John 9:4Yes. That's why I said...
...these verses are quite a find. It seems they got past the editors.
1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins,
and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
As I have stated on several threads on the Christian Forums - I couched damnationism, annihilationism and universalism as THEORIES and delved into the text the KJV to see which fit the data better. I looked at EVERY verse of a very ordinary KJV, using minimal reference materials. Findings:
I found little support for annihilationism.
I found the case for damnationism to be based on bias, bad translation and the unjustified intrusion of theology and terms foreign to both Greek and Hebrew. In particular, I found that if context allowed, "sheol" was translated as "hell." If context did not allow, it was left as "grave" or "pit." I see this as putting theology ahead of honest translation. Further, "Gehenna" was rendered as "Hell" 100% of the time, even though it is a place in the real world.
Universalism, as a theory, had far fewer "data outliers" and problems between one verse or text and another. Consulting other translations, particularly the Ferrar Fenton and the Young's Literal, I found ease and harmony, where "condemnation" was not substituted for "judgment" and "damnation" did not replace "condemnation."
I did my homework. I fear most Christians have not been good Bereans.
Who told you that? Do you suppose we don't learn after the resurrection?
You have not described how He will do that for one who doesn't want Him.
He can light up your butt all He wants---how is He going to save someone who does not want Him?
Where is that verse that says anyone can change their mind after the lake of fire---for that matter---after death?
Rev_22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Perhaps relevant to Rev 20:9:I've done mine, also. I see nothing for eternal burning hell. I see the end of the wicked in the lake of fire and they are ashes under our feet. I see no verse that states anyone changes their mind after death, or gets a 2nd life with Christ after the 2nd death. Give me the verses and I change my mind.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Again---give me the verse that says we can change our mind after death, or after the 2nd death. You can make up stuff all you want. I simply ask for the verses.
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