Better scared than dead?

[MorkandMindy]

As time progresses these outcomes will change, but so far they show Covid-19 is a hazard to yourself and anyone you might pass it to

To date only 10% of confirmed cases have reached the outcomes, and with time many more should be confirmed as recovered.

source https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=covid-19+deaths+world
updated 20 min ago

 

[MorkandMindy]

Appropriate. The dead ones are orange.

That's the default Open Office Calc used, I didn't notice

 

[MorkandMindy]

But yes, he is the latest in a long line of Presidents from both parties who haven't gotten us single payer, Britain went single payer in 1948

The insurance companies are the second largest lobby in Washington at 2.3 Billion dollars a year.

 

[Ricky M]

As time progresses these outcomes will change, but so far they show Covid-19 is a hazard to yourself and anyone you might pass it to

To date only 10% of confirmed cases have reached the outcomes, and with time many more should be confirmed as recovered.

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source https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=covid-19+deaths+world
updated 20 min ago

Until the graph includes a reasonable estimate of how many were infected but asymptomatic, these figures mean nothing.

 

[Pommer]

Until the graph includes a reasonable estimate of how many were infected but asymptomatic, these figures mean nothing.

Testing would help with that concern.

 

[CyberPaladin]

I'd say it's stupidity at best and arrogance worse to assume the people that have recovered are fine this virus is new we don't if it's done minor damage to organs and disorders that'll take awhile to in obvious or testing which we can't do at this point because of the pandemic.

 

[keith99]

I'd say it's stupidity at best and arrogance worse to assume the people that have recovered are fine this virus is new we don't if it's done minor damage to organs and disorders that'll take awhile to in obvious or testing which we can't do at this point because of the pandemic.

Actually we do not have to assume, but in the opposite direction. Many who have recovered have suffered lung damage. Just how important that damage is both individually and collectively is to be seen. But we already know it exists.

 

[Vylo]

Bear in mind, of all the statistics that are under reported, recovered is the worst. You are unlikely to get counted unless you end up in a hospital. Really, the recovered number is best used to see how often people who reach the point of hospitalization survive.

 

[Ricky M]

Testing would help with that concern.

That's what it will take, especially anti body testing. That's the only way we'll have any idea how widespread it actually is.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Britain went single payer in 1948

The insurance companies are the second largest lobby in Washington at 2.3 Billion dollars a year.

Britain's Version Of 'Medicare For All' Is Struggling With Long Waits For Care

U.K.'s Healthcare Horror Stories Ought To Curb Dems' Enthusiasm For Single-Payer

 

[Kentonio]

Britain's Version Of 'Medicare For All' Is Struggling With Long Waits For Care

U.K.'s Healthcare Horror Stories Ought To Curb Dems' Enthusiasm For Single-Payer

Britain has had a conservative government cutting the NHS funding for the last decade. Even with that it’s still a very strong service that has saved the lives of countless millions of British people. There’s a reason why the NHS is the most beloved U.K. institution. Do Americans say the same about your healthcare system?

 

[MorkandMindy]

When the NHS (National Health Service) was set up in 1948 it was an example copied almost world-wide. Part of the reason for the huge improvement it brought and popularity was people remembered the lack of care in the UK in preceding decades.

The big change of implementing the NHS required the will of the people and of the primary carers and of the surgeons and hospital doctors, but all found it to their benefit. And the NHS was not copied world-wide precisely, many had co-pays, and each was tailored a bit for the country that applied it.

In the 1980s with the arrival of Neoliberalism the worship of profit became the new religion pretty much world-wide and despite the commitment to the NHS, the government began applying it increasingly to the NHS, cutting beds and equipment and complete hospitals to the bare minimum that would be needed when everything was going well. And that's where we are now.

Advanced countries like Germany have kept their medical systems well equipped and have coped with the Covid-19 pandemic better.


John Pilger spent a fair amount of time investigating the current crisis:

John Pilger - What Govts Aren't Telling You About the COVID-19 Pandemic | Going Underground

 

[Kentonio]

Britain's Version Of 'Medicare For All' Is Struggling With Long Waits For Care

U.K.'s Healthcare Horror Stories Ought To Curb Dems' Enthusiasm For Single-Payer

Incidentally that second article is by Sally Pipes, who works for this think tank..

“The Pacific Research Institute for Public Policy(PRI) is a California-based free-market think tankwhich promotes "the principles of individual freedomand personal responsibility" through policies that emphasize a free economy, private initiative, and limited government.[3] PRI was founded in 1979 by British philanthropist Antony Fisher.[4]”