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theophilus777
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This idea of "reparative justice," that is what Kevin is missing. Vengeful and punitive justice has no place.
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It doesn't have to. Baha'u'llah says the purpose of justice is the appearance of unity. Reparative justice creates unity whereas punitive justice generally does not.
Does anyone use the word 'justify' other than Paul? As for redeem, in the Tanakh that meant to redeem someone from slavery, not sin.
Yes, we must bow to the being who decided that the best solution to all our mistakes and sins was to kill his own kid in a fit of rage. What love! Stirs my soul every time.
I feel that the attempt here is to create God into the image of man.
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Does anyone use the word 'justify' other than Paul? As for redeem, in the Tanakh that meant to redeem someone from slavery, not sin.
This sounds more like Paul than Abraham, Isaac or Jacob.
Paul uses the word to describe the concept of justification clearly taught in the Torah. Also, redemption in the Pesach narrative is telling us that sin is a type of slavery.
I haven't ever made that kind of connection. Where do you find missing the mark connected to slavery?
Rather than worry about one's soul being "saved" or not, would we not be better off worrying about loving our fellow human beings?
Is it possible that "salvation" in fact comes from compassion and selfless love for others?
I know I feel much closer to God when I am doing God's work - that is, being of service to humanity - than when I am worrying about my own spiritual state.
Discovery of your atman. Your true Self. Not the ego or persona that the maya creates. Seeing through the illusion to God.
I see. How does one "feel closer to God"? What does that mean?
Is it loving to stand by while your fellow human beings go to Hell?
No.light upon light said:Is it possible that "salvation" in fact comes from compassion and selfless love for others?
I see. How does one "feel closer to God"? What does that mean?
Be careful when you think you know God's judgment.
That is a dangerous trap that many others have fallen into before:
"Ye search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me... But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not... Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust."
This sounds a lot like what I wrote:
"And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. " - Luke 10:25-28
It means to enjoy the fruits of the spirit:
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance..." - Galatians 5:22-23
Jacob's children missed the mark, and wound up in slavery.
Ok, my memory might be playing tricks on me, but when did Jacob's children miss the mark and become slaves? What happened to Joseph was pretty bad, but they didn't end up as slaves.
Feeling closer to feeling is a wonderful start to awaken those feelings of being close to God. But there's much more. For myself in feeling closer to God there are more than several trajectories that all come together as One. I'll start out with "seeing" the Divine with in other human beings makes me feel closer to God. Babies and watching a mothers love for her new born child really bring that out in me very clearly. There is also the union through Love with life itself that I experience. Than there's the openness to the presence of a force much greater than my ego self that runs within and through out every bit of this Creation. And when I ride Love like an arrow to the Heart of God, that's when I REALLY feel close to my Beloved God.Ah, so then, it's not actually feeling closer to God, but feeling closer to a feeling.
Not to a Jew. The Hebrew people suffered real slavery.
Paul uses the word to describe the concept of justification clearly taught in the Torah.
Also, redemption in the Pesach narrative is telling us that sin is a type of slavery.
You argue an awful lot, but your not making any real point. I realize to you religion is all between the ears but on that path you'll never really make progress.
Didn't end up as slaves? Joseph's older brothers sold him into slavery where he wound up as a ruler. The Brothers came to Egypt in famine, and wound up under Joseph's care. Eventually anyone that had known Joseph was gone and the Hebrews were oppressed. Some 400 years of slavery between that story and Moses leading them out. Your Tanakh doesn't have any of that?
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