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Being exists, but not all that exists has being.

Being is actualized existence.

So not all that exists has actualised existence? What does that mean?

There exists ideas that have no potentiality, no potential to be actualized..

Not all that can be said can be done.

Or do you mean that not all ideas have potential to actually exist?

If this is true then I would disagree with your first statement. It is imprecise.
 
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Being exists, but not all that exists has being.

Being is actualized existence.

There exists ideas that have no potentiality, no potential to be actualized..

Not all that can be said can be done.

Even ideas that have referents that have no potentiality nevertheless exist as references. So, I don't see how it matters that "not all that can be said can be done".


eudaimonia,

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So not all that exists has actualized existence? What does that mean?

Or do you mean that not all ideas have potential to actually exist?

If this is true then I would disagree with your first statement. It is imprecise.

You are correct; not every idea that exists has been actualized.

You are correct; not all ideas have the potential to actually exist.

There exists ideas that have the potential for material, spatial and temporal being. (circles, triangles)
There exists ideas that do not have the potential for material, spatial and temporal being. (round-triangles)

Not all that can be said can be done.

Non-sense exists as ideas that cannot be.

All that has being actually exists; its existence is actualized.
God is simple actuality. He has no potentiality. He has no potential to change including no potential to not be.
We are a complex of actuality and potentiality. You actually exist; you have being. But, you also have potentiality. You have the potential to change including the potential to not be.

The idea of you is conceived in the mind of God eternally, known by God necessarily, "before the foundation of the world" the idea of you existed. However, you came to be when you were physically conceived in the womb of you mother. Only then could you be perceived by the rest of us.
 
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Even ideas that have referents that have no potentiality nevertheless exist as references. So, I don't see how it matters that "not all that can be said can be done".

You are correct; those ideas exist. However, they, themselves, have no being.
Some of those ideas have the potential to be; some do not.
In that way, not all that can be said can be done.
 
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You are correct; not all ideas have the potential to actually exist.

There exists ideas that have the potential for material, spatial and temporal being. (circles, triangles)
There exists ideas that do not have the potential for material, spatial and temporal being. (round-triangles)

Not all that can be said can be done.

Non-sense exists as ideas that cannot be.

I think I see what you're saying here. You're right, of course, that impossible objects like round triangles can't exist, but I'm not so sure that they would qualify as discrete ideas.

I would say that what we do when we conceptualize and talk about such impossible "objects" is we conceptualize separate and mutually incompossible properties and then loosely and superficially "combine" them into what we call "impossible objects," but they're not really discrete objects or ideas at all, since they fail both to cohere as such in abstraction and to be concretely realizable as genuine universals. They don't really have any sort of intrinsic being (i.e. existence in and of themselves) at all--even as ideas--basically.

God is simple actuality. He has no potentiality. He has no potential to change including no potential to not be.
I agree with you that God is metaphysically simple. I think he would have to be simple in order to preserve the divine aseity, since if he were complex, he would have to be ontologically posterior to (and thus dependent upon) his parts.

Divine simplicity entails that God's existence would have to be in some sense intrinsic to his essence, which would mean that he necessarily exists. It also entails that he would be immutable.

We are a complex of actuality and potentiality. You actually exist; you have being. But, you also have potentiality. You have the potential to change including the potential to not be.
Well, our human nature might or might not be concretely realized in the particular individuals you or I. I might also quibble over your precise meanings of "actuality" and "potentiality." I'm not entirely convinced that the standard Thomist understanding of those terms (I presume you're taking your cue from St. Thomas; forgive me if I'm mistaken) is correct, but I still need to give that subject a good bit more thought.

But what I believe to be your basic point is correct, I think: We, ourselves, as individual human beings might or might not exist. That is, there is nothing intrinsic to what we are that would entail that we (individually) exist.

The idea of you is conceived in the mind of God eternally, known by God necessarily, "before the foundation of the world" the idea of you existed. However, you came to be when you were physically conceived in the womb of you mother. Only then could you be perceived by the rest of us.
Yep, I think this is about right! :)
 
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You are correct; not every idea that exists has been actualized.

You are correct; not all ideas have the potential to actually exist.

There exists ideas that have the potential for material, spatial and temporal being. (circles, triangles)
There exists ideas that do not have the potential for material, spatial and temporal being. (round-triangles)

Not all that can be said can be done.

Non-sense exists as ideas that cannot be.

All that has being actually exists; its existence is actualized.

I think I can agree with this.

God is simple actuality. He has no potentiality. He has no potential to change including no potential to not be.

Is this an attempt at the ontological argument?

We are a complex of actuality and potentiality. You actually exist; you have being. But, you also have potentiality. You have the potential to change including the potential to not be.

I agree.

The idea of you is conceived in the mind of God eternally, known by God necessarily, "before the foundation of the world" the idea of you existed. However, you came to be when you were physically conceived in the womb of you mother. Only then could you be perceived by the rest of us.

Well I don'y believe in God, but fair enough.
 
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I'm not sure I understand how we are defining "being" here. If an idea exists only as an idea, a thought, why can't it be?

Being is actualized existence.

Some ideas exist that have the potential to be; some ideas exist that do not have the potential to be.

To be = to actually exist.

Not everything that exists actually exists.
Not everything that exists has its existence actualized.
Not everything that exists has being.
 
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Being is actualized existence.

Some ideas exist that have the potential to be; some ideas exist that do not have the potential to be.

To be = to actually exist.

Not everything that exists actually exists.
Not everything that exists has its existence actualized.
Not everything that exists has being.

Actually exist?

Does beauty actually exist?
 
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Actually exist?

Does beauty actually exist?

Beauty is inferred. Things exist; perhaps, some of them are beautiful.

Things exist, such as the idea of unicorns, that cannot be actualized; they cannot actually exist. In other words, they cannot be.

Being is actualized existence. Things that have their existence actualized have being. Things that have being actually exist. Again, being is actualized existence.

Some things (ideas for example) exist that do not have the potential to be actualized; they have no potentiality.

Human BEINGS are a complex of actuality and potentiality. We actually exist; our existence is actualized. However, we also have the potential to change including the potential to not be.
 
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Things exist, such as the idea of unicorns, that cannot be actualized; they cannot actually exist. In other words, they cannot be.

Well, unicorns don't exist, but I'm not so sure that they can't exist, if that's what you're saying.

The concept "unicorn" doesn't seem to entail any mutually incompossible properties (i.e. properties that can't possibly coinhere in the same substance), or at least none that stand out on a prima facie analysis, so it seems to me that such creatures might exist.
 
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