Beast forming - but is the time right?

[HisdaughterJen]

Bush Calls for World Summit to Address Economic Crisis

Saturday, October 18, 2008


"President Bush said Saturday that he looks forward to hosting a summit of world leaders to address the global financial crisis.
The president stood with French President Nicolas Sarkozy and European Commission President Jose Manual Barroso at Camp David, declaring that "we're in this crisis together."
"Together we will work to strengthen and modernize our nations' financial systems so we can help ensure that this crisis doesn't happen again," said the president.
Bush said only that the meeting would be in the near future.
Sarkozy and Barroso are trying to convince Bush that now is a good opportunity to tighten and better coordinate control of the financial markets.
"This is a worldwide crisis so we must find a worldwide solution," Sarkozy said following his arrival at Camp David. "We must not give way to fatalism."
Barosso called for a swift international response.
"We need a new global financial order," Barosso said.
The summit will focus on ideas to prevent a crisis from recurring and to preserve the free market system.

The president has backed the steps European nations have taken to stem the downturn, and wants the summit to include the Group of Eight industrialized powers plus other emerging economies like China and India.
The White House says Bush, who has just three months left in office, wants to listen to a broad range of ideas, not just from Europe, but from Asia and developing countries."





The European Commission has divided the world into 10 regions.

http://ec.europa.eu/world/where/index_en.htm

North America
Central America and Caribbean
South America
Western Europe
Eastern Europe and Central Asia
Mediterranean and Middle-East
Africa
North-East and South Asia
South-East Asia
Australia and Pacific

"The external relations policy of the Barroso Commission is based on three key basic propositions on the EU’s role in the emerging world order. "

Rev 17:12"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.
Rev 17:13They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast.




Is the devil pushing his God-given reign into existence before the appointed time?

Does anyone think that it's impossible for the devil to begin to reign before God says so?

I find it interesting that today's financial crisis resembles the pre-Hitler years. Could it be that the devil was attempting to set up his reign then but it wasn't the right time and he's doing it again...but it could be the right time?

I really don't think that anything is going to happen before GOD MAKES IT HAPPEN.

 

[Mark2010]

Maybe this is like a preliminary step. Large-scale things such as this take years to develop, so maybe this is laying the groundwork for things later on. People though the founding of the United Nations was a sign of the end of the world, too.

I don't rush into a panic, but it's something worth keeping an eye on.

Your other point is very interesting. To what extent is God in control of various events and when they occur? It's sort of like how much is God in control when mankind has freewill?

 

[Bible2]

If the European Commission has divided the world into
10 regions, then when the Antichrist begins his 42-
month openly-Luciferian world-reign (Revelation 13:4-8),
he could appoint over the 10 world-regions Presidents
(or even "Kings", compared to what could his own title
of "World Emperor" or "King of Kings"), thus fulfilling
Revelation 17:12's requirement that the 10 kings will
receive power only during the reign of the Antichrist.
If they are appointed by the Antichrist, Revelation
17:13 would mean that they will remain loyal and
completely subservient to him.

Another possibility is that the ten kings of
Revelation 17:12 will instead be placed by the
Antichrist over 10 major nations the territory of
which used to be part of the Roman Empire, for the
ten kings of Revelation 17:12 could be the same as
the ten toes/kings of Daniel 2:42,44 which extend
from the Roman Empire (Daniel 2:40), and the same as
the ten horns/kings of Daniel 7:24 which extend from
the Roman Empire (Daniel 7:23).

The 10 major nations the territory of which used to
be part of the Roman Empire (which included not only
Western Europe, but also the Middle East and North
Africa as well) could be Germany, France, the U.K.,
Italy, Spain, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and Algeria.

Daniel 7:24 could mean that the Antichrist won't be
from any of these nations, but will begin his career
on the world stage by obtaining control over three
of them. He could be an Arab from Tyre, Lebanon
(Ezekiel 28:2, cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:4) who could
first obtain control over a Baathist confederation of
Iraq, Syria (including "Palestine", i.e. a defeated
Israel), and Egypt, which confederation could have
been put together (possibly in 2010) by an Iraqi
Baathist General (in Daniel 11:17, the Hebrew word
translated as "daughter" is "bath") after the Iraqi
Baathist General will have defeated Israel and Egypt
(Daniel 11:15-16) with a massive Iraqi Army built up
by the U.S. to defeat Iran instead.

Once the Antichrist has obtained control of the three-
nation Baathist confederation (cf. Daniel 11:21), he
could then peacefully and gradually enlarge the
confederation (Daniel 11:24) until it includes all of
the Arab nations, from Dubai to Morocco, and so
becomes a massive United Arab States, or Arab Union.

Then the Antichrist could propose to an oil-thirsty
European Union that it let the oil-rich Arab Union
join it, forming a gigantic Mediterranean Union, which
the Antichrist could gain control of (and appoint his
ten kings over its ten major nations), and from which
base of power he could then take hegemony over the
entire world (Revelation 13:7b).

---

The devil (Lucifer/Satan/the dragon) will push the
Antichrist's 42-month world-reign into existence
(Revelation 13:4-8, 2 Thessalonians 2:9) only at the
time permitted by God, when God will remove the
restrainer of 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7, who could be a
powerful angel like the one who will restrain the
devil at the second coming (Revelation 20:1-3). The
restrainer could be removed on December 21, 2012,
when the Antichrist could commit the abomination of
desolation of 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:31,36,
and Matthew 24:15.

 

[&Abel]

Bush Calls for World Summit to Address Economic Crisis

Saturday, October 18, 2008


"President Bush said Saturday that he looks forward to hosting a summit of world leaders to address the global financial crisis.
The president stood with French President Nicolas Sarkozy and European Commission President Jose Manual Barroso at Camp David, declaring that "we're in this crisis together."
"Together we will work to strengthen and modernize our nations' financial systems so we can help ensure that this crisis doesn't happen again," said the president.
Bush said only that the meeting would be in the near future.
Sarkozy and Barroso are trying to convince Bush that now is a good opportunity to tighten and better coordinate control of the financial markets.
"This is a worldwide crisis so we must find a worldwide solution," Sarkozy said following his arrival at Camp David. "We must not give way to fatalism."
Barosso called for a swift international response.
"We need a new global financial order," Barosso said.
The summit will focus on ideas to prevent a crisis from recurring and to preserve the free market system.

The president has backed the steps European nations have taken to stem the downturn, and wants the summit to include the Group of Eight industrialized powers plus other emerging economies like China and India.
The White House says Bush, who has just three months left in office, wants to listen to a broad range of ideas, not just from Europe, but from Asia and developing countries."





The European Commission has divided the world into 10 regions.

http://ec.europa.eu/world/where/index_en.htm

North America
Central America and Caribbean
South America
Western Europe
Eastern Europe and Central Asia
Mediterranean and Middle-East
Africa
North-East and South Asia
South-East Asia
Australia and Pacific

"The external relations policy of the Barroso Commission is based on three key basic propositions on the EU’s role in the emerging world order. "

Rev 17:12"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.
Rev 17:13They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast.




Is the devil pushing his God-given reign into existence before the appointed time?

Does anyone think that it's impossible for the devil to begin to reign before God says so?

I find it interesting that today's financial crisis resembles the pre-Hitler years. Could it be that the devil was attempting to set up his reign then but it wasn't the right time and he's doing it again...but it could be the right time?

I really don't think that anything is going to happen before GOD MAKES IT HAPPEN.

relax Jen, everything is going exactly as planned

Satan is powerless to change the future to anything but what god has determined it to be

god KNOWS the outcome and he knows every little step on the way to that outcome

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish2]

self censored.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

relax Jen, everything is going exactly as planned

Satan is powerless to change the future to anything but what god has determined it to be

god KNOWS the outcome and he knows every little step on the way to that outcome

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish2]

Is the devil pushing his God-given reign into existence before the appointed time?

Does anyone think that it's impossible for the devil to begin to reign before God says so?

Why do you think it isnt the appointed time?

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Is the devil pushing his God-given reign into existence before the appointed time?

Does anyone think that it's impossible for the devil to begin to reign before God says so?

Why do you think it isnt the appointed time?

More and more, I'm thinking that it IS the appointed time...or will be very soon.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish2]

More and more, I'm thinking that it IS the appointed time...or will be very soon.

Me too. One more Pope before the fall of Rome.. that's the end. Peter the last Pope. Then the antichrist system destroys the catholic church. Or maybe as some have said here, that the next Pope destroys the catholic church, by blending it in with islam and judaism.. already well into progress with PJ-Paul and Ratzinger. But escpecially with PJ-Paul.

 

[Bible2]

Satan knows that he's powerless to change the future
to anything but what God has determined it to be, for
Satan will know that his time is short (Revelation
12:12b) after he's been cast down to the earth for
good (Revelation 12:9) around the midpoint of the
coming tribulation, right before the start of the 3.5-
year world-reign of the Antichrist (Revelation
12:13-14, 13:5).

God not only knows the outcome of future events, and
not only knows every little step on the way to that
outcome, but has revealed every little step to the
church (Mark 13:23) in the book of Revelation
(chapters 6-22), and in Matthew 24, Daniel 2:41-45,
7:8-27, 8:9-14, 8:23-25, 9:24-27, 11:15-12:13,
Zechariah 14, and in many other Biblical prophecies
(Amos 3:7).

---

It isn't yet the appointed time for the 3.5-year
world-reign of the Antichrist to begin, for it won't
begin until after the first half of the coming
tribulation (Revelation 6:4-9:21). The tribulation
hasn't started yet; it could start in 2010.

The 3.5-year world-reign of the Antichrist (which
time period is shown from four different angles in
Revelation chapters 11-14) could begin on December
21, 2012. On that date, the Antichrist could commit
the abomination of desolation, when he'll sit in a
rebuilt Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaim
himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:31,36,
Matthew 24:15).

---

There very well could be one more Pope before the
fall of the Roman Catholic Church, and all other
churches, at the hands of the Antichrist (Revelation
13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4).

The next and last Pope could be the False Prophet of
the Antichrist (Revelation 19:20, 13:11-18).

The Antichrist and his False Prophet will bring the
whole world into the worship of Lucifer the dragon
(Revelation 13:4). So whoever will become the False
Prophet will be a Luciferian. If he first becomes the
next Pope, he could currently be a cardinal in the
Roman Catholic Church who is secretly a Luciferian,
such as a member of a worldwide secret society the
highest-level members of which are Luciferian.

The next Pope could destroy the Roman Catholic Church
by blending it in with Islam into (what he could call)
"One Religion of Peace, One Religion of Abraham, based
on Love for the one God and Love for our fellow man".
This could only be the first step that the next Pope
will take in order to gradually "initiate" the world
into Luciferianism, after the model of a worldwide
secret society:

The lowest-level members are encouraged to continue
in their own religions and to show tolerance for all
other religions. The middle-level members are taught
about the other religions and told the lie that they
all teach basically the same thing. The upper-middle
members are brought into the lies of gnosticism and
told that gnosticism is the "True Light", the true
knowledge which all other religions are pointing to.
It's not until a member has been initiated into the
highest level that he's told the lie that "Lucifer is
the True Light, the God of gods", and that "YHWH, the
God of the Bible, is evil, even Satan himself".

So bringing the whole world through these same gradual
steps, the False Prophet could bring the whole world
into gnostic Luciferianism. And he'll be able to
purportedly "back up" all of his false teaching with
incredible miracles (Revelation 13:13-18), which he'll
no doubt claim are "proof" that what he is teaching is
from God (cf. John 3:2b), when in fact his miracles,
like his teaching, will be from Satan (2 Thessalonians
2:9) in order to deceive the world (Revelation 19:20)
into worshipping Lucifer and the Antichrist (Revelation
13:4).

Lucifer is Satan, a fallen angel (Isaiah 14:12, Luke
10:18) who is not God but wants to be like God without
submitting himself to God (Isaiah 14:13-14). He
inspires men with the same desire.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

I don't think that the RCC will mix with Islam. I do think that the anti-christ and false prophet will be worshipers of the devil, though.

 

[&Abel]

I believe the anti-christ will be, I'm not sure about the false prophet

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish2]

Is the devil pushing his God-given reign into existence before the appointed time?

again.. why would it not be the time for all this? this is the 'end of the age' right now, the 70th week of Daniel hasn't started yet, because the confirmation of the covenant hasn't happened yet.

 

[BeforeTheFoundation]

that the next Pope destroys the catholic church, by blending it in with islam and judaism.. already well into progress with PJ-Paul and Ratzinger. But escpecially with PJ-Paul.

I am a little confused, exactly when has Pope John Paul II or Benedict XVI "blend[ed] it [Catholicism] in with islam and judaism"?

I am just trying to think of a time when either of these two great men have been anything less than clear about this topic.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Is the devil pushing his God-given reign into existence before the appointed time?

again.. why would it not be the time for all this? this is the 'end of the age' right now, the 70th week of Daniel hasn't started yet, because the confirmation of the covenant hasn't happened yet.

I guess what I mean is...the devil is not going to reign until GOD says so. He can bluster and stomp and try to force his reign...but he's not going to reign until God says the time is right. And that time won't come until satan and his angels are cast down to the realm of the earth when the sun/moon darken/stars fall at the beginning of the Day of the Lord/Day of Wrath.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish2]

I guess what I mean is...the devil is not going to reign until GOD says so. He can bluster and stomp and try to force his reign...but he's not going to reign until God says the time is right. And that time won't come until satan and his angels are cast down to the realm of the earth when the sun/moon darken/stars fall at the beginning of the Day of the Lord/Day of Wrath.

I think the fallen angels and satan were cast down to earth in 1947. I'm trying to get my head around the concept of pre-wrath rapture, a book i'm reading in slow time by Marvin Rosenthal. I have never gone with pre-trib rapture, but there is some merit to the idea that the church will not experience God's wrath.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NIV/new_age.htm

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish2]

double posted..

 

[HisdaughterJen]

I think the fallen angels and satan were cast down to earth in 1947. I'm trying to get my head around the concept of pre-wrath rapture, a book i'm reading in slow time by Marvin Rosenthal. I have never gone with pre-trib rapture, but there is some merit to the idea that the church will not experience God's wrath.

Well, remember that when the devil is cast down to the earth he's angry because he only has a short time...42 months.

I do agree that the mid-1940's were prophetic times though. The Holocaust, WW2, the rebirth of Israel, the beginning of the EU, the league of nations, various treaties, and even the more weird stuff...like Roswell.

I think that the end of WW2 and the rebirth of Israel was the beginning of the final generation of 70 years. I think that when the 70 years have past, Christ will be reigning. I get that idea from scriptures such as these:

Isa 23:15At that time Tyre will be forgotten for seventy years, the span of a king's life. But at the end of these seventy years, it will happen to Tyre as in the song of the prostitute:

Isa 23:17At the end of seventy years, the Lord will deal with Tyre. She will return to her hire as a prostitute and will ply her trade with all the kingdoms on the face of the earth.

Jer 25:11This whole country will become a desolate wasteland, and these nations will serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

Jer 25:12"But when the seventy years are fulfilled, I will punish the king of Babylon and his nation, the land of the Babylonians, for their guilt," declares the Lord, "and will make it desolate forever.

Jer 29:10This is what the Lord says: "When seventy years are completed for Babylon, I will come to you and fulfill my gracious promise to bring you back to this place.




Psa 90:10The length of our days is seventy years-- or eighty, if we have the strength; yet their span is but trouble and sorrow, for they quickly pass, and we fly away.




I think that these scriptures not only show how long a generation is but also that God has an M.O. in respect to the way he does things. It appears to me that he allows things to go on for seventy years and then a change comes.

Jesus was born in 4BCto 0 and 70 years later, Jerusalem was desolated because of their unbelief.
Our lifespans are 70 years and then we "fly away".
All of the above scripture says, "AFTER seventy years" THEN God moves.

So, if we were to apply the above to Israel or even the world, 70 years after WW2 ended would be 2015. 70 years after Israel's rebirth would be 2018. If this means that Jesus will be reigning, then we need to subtract the final seven years from the date for the beginning of the Day of the Lord/Day of Wrath...so 2008 or 2011. If there are only 3.5 years of terrible times, then 2012 or 2015 for the beginning of the Day of the Lord/Day of Wrath.

Anyway, I do expect a change when 70 years have passed from the mid-1940's.

 

[Bible2]

Satan and his angels won't be cast down to the earth at Jesus' second
coming with his angels, after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation
19:11-21), but will be cast down mid-tribulation, right before the 3.5-year
world-reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 12:9-13:18).

---

Revelation 6:12 could be a different event than Matthew 24:29, for the
description of what happens to the moon is different, and the timing could
be different: Revelation 6:12 could happen during the first stage of the
tribulation whereas Matthew 24:29 won't happen until after the tribulation,
when Jesus will come to gather together and marry the church (Matthew
24:30-31, Revelation 19:7).

When Jesus comes to gather together and marry the church he'll destroy the
Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:1,8, Revelation 19:7,20). That's why Jesus
can't come to gather together the church until sometime after the Antichrist is
revealed (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4).

The church will have to go through the reign of the Antichrist (Revelation
13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4).

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The day of the Lord could start at the second coming (1 Corinthians 1:7-8),
when Jesus will bring wrath upon the world (Revelation 19:15-21).

---

The falling stars in Revelation 6:13 and Matthew 24:29 could be two
separate meteorite showers, the former during the first stage of the
tribulation, and the latter after the tribulation.

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During the vials of God's wrath (Revelation 16), the final stage of the
tribulation, some in the church will still be alive on the earth, still waiting for
Jesus' coming as a thief (Revelation 16:15), which doesn't occur until
Revelation 19:7-21.

During the vials of God's wrath, those in the church still alive on the earth
will go into protective chambers which they'll have built for themselves on
the earth (Isaiah 26:20). They won't be appointed to God's wrath, for no
one who has obtained salvation can be appointed to God's wrath
(1 Thessalonians 5:9).

But earlier in the tribulation some in the church will be appointed to Satan's
wrath (Revelation 12:17), just as some in the church in the first century had
to suffer and die at the hands of Satan (Revelation 2:10).