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MadFingerPainter said:no dancing? um why?
can you even dance with your spouse at home?
WalkInHisFootsteps said:It's more than CO, it's actively building peace, resisting all attempts to get us engaged in violence of any kind, not supporting capital punishment, speaking out against war.
In the US, consciencious objection is about being released from military service obligations because of religious beliefs.
WalkInHisFootsteps said:I'm sure we can all agree on absentence issues:
no drinking
no dancing
no sex outside of marriage
right?
WalkInHisFootsteps said:Yes, the American government used to shoot COs, too. By the second world war, they stopped doing that, thanks mostly to the outspokenness of the quakers here.
So let's see...
Slavery was abolished through the persistent work of the quakers,
Shooting COs was abolished through the persistent work of the quakers.
I think anabaptists could learn about how to speak out for righteousness without being political from the quakers!
Danfrey said:Hold on.
Let me point out, that this is not a universally held Anabaptist position. There are many Anabaptists who do not oppose the government's authority to wage war and enforce capital punishment.
Danfrey said:Those wonderful Quakers and thier social change. It is a shame God didn't think of it first.
menno said:What Dan is saying is that gov't has the right to do as it will and he is correct. I don't have to like what the gov't does, but it is empowered.
This goes back to what I said elsewhere about rebelling against a gov't. It's been empowered by God, whether it's the US or China.
WalkInHisFootsteps said:I am totally perplexed by the idea that government should do whatever it wants when WE are the government!
Danfrey said:I spent 12 years of my life as part of the government. I don't care to be part of it anymore. I have a hard time understanding how someone can think it is ok to be part of the government and refuse to participate in the military. Kind of like picking and choosing which part is ok to be involved in.
Danfrey said:Just so everyone is clear. Sometimes it may seem that Walkin and I have pretty course conversations. I just want everyone to know that I do respect her opinions. She backs up what she says with much thought and even though I don't always agree, I can respect her approach. She just happens to catch the arrows that I would normally direct at the larger body of Mennonites in our country. My beliefs differ quite abit from them. This isn't to say that they are bad people, just that I believe some of things have gone in a direction that I am not comfortable with.
Let me also point out that I know you believe it is ok to work for change through the government. And, I don't believe it is ok to work for change through the government.
WalkInHisFootsteps said:So what is an acceptable way to bring about change in government and the things it does?
If it's wrong to speak out, if it's wrong to vote, if it's wrong to try to influence lawmakers, then i guess all that's left is to have a fatalistic attitude when it comes to government and let things go to hell.
I wonder what God will say to us when we get to heaven--"I gave you the right to vote, why didn't you use it??"
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