Baptist VS. Anabaptists

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 17, 2007

In all the groups you mentioned, and were in, and have ever heard about, there are [potentially] true witnesses of Yeshua's Life
- they are necessarily martyrs.
Same with anabaps - being "in" is not at all synonymous with belonging to Yeshua or obeying Yhwh. . . .
This is possibly the hardest thing to learn at first, but after it is learned then resting in the rightness , truth, peace, joy is simply easy and natural (all thanks to Abba Father the One and the Only Creator and Teacher and Saviour).
As Yhwh said "whoever trusts flesh is under a curse",
and
"whoever obediently trusts Yeshua will never be disappointed".

Danfrey · Oct 3, 2007

FAITHFILLED said:
OKAY I GREW UP IN A BAPTIST SCHOOL. I WENT TO A NON DENOMINATIONAL CHURCH ON SUNDAYS, ON WEDNESDAYS I WENT TO AN ASSEMBLY OF GOD CHURCH AND MY AUNT THAT RAISED ME WAS LUTHERAN. SO, I AM WELL VERSED IN THE DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS. I AM HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING OUT WHAT THE ANABAPTIST CHURCH IS LIKE FROM PEOPLES OWN PERSONAL VIEWS. WHETHER THEY ARE SPIRIT FILLED AND FIRE BAPTIZED OR IF THEY ARE LIKE THE BAPTIST CHURCH THAT I GREW UP IN AND DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THE BIBLE ARE FOR OUR TIMES. CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME YOUR VIEW ON THIS. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS!

The short answer is... The views on modern use of the gifts of the spirit vary from group to group. You are more likely to see evidence in a modern group than you would in a more traditional one. I have actually been told that it is inappropriate to raise my hands during worship, but that was a branch that has some unique beliefs. I have never met an Anabaptist that believes the gifts ended with the first century like I have heard from many baptists, but I think they would believe the gifts of the spirit are rarely seen. They would emphasize the fruit of the spirit over the gifts of the spirit.

tulc · Oct 3, 2007

Hey Danfrey! Welcome to the ghost town.
tulc(usually comes here to nap, it's great except for the dust!)

JimfromOhio · Oct 5, 2007

I was a Baptist for first 15 years of my Christian life and Anabaptist for 20 years. Now, in the last few years, I am just a "Reformed" followerer regardless of denomination even though I am currently a member of a local Presbyterian church.

JimfromOhio · Oct 5, 2007

Over one hundred years, there was not too much difference between Anabaptist and Baptist since both groups believed in strict separation of church and state, basic Calvinistic or Reformed Theology, baptism by immersion only after conversion, and absolute pacifists. Baptist dropped common community property beliefs, and they were amalgamated more with social customs. The first war sanctioned by Baptist was in America and it was the Revolutionary War.

A Baptist drawn to Anabaptism

Easystreet · Oct 6, 2007

hogndog said:
Well, that would be me. Today, just as the service came to a close the Pastors mother approached me and said, Lee, did you know that the Anabapists were the first church?, and that statement came from a Baptist. Not from any web site, So now I'm satified. My belief's?, God said it. I believe it. That Settles it. If you don't believe this well then, I don't know what to say.

In Christ,
Lee

Here is a dictionary definition of Anabaptist

An·a·bap·tist noun 1.a member of any of various Protestant sects, formed in Europe after 1520, that denied the validity of infant baptism, baptized believers only, and advocated social and economic reforms as well as the complete separation of church and state."

Anabaptist actually go back much further. The tag is only a tag. Christians from the time of the apostles have refused to follow Rome's infant baptism for salvation.

Danfrey · Oct 7, 2007

You would have a hard time finding a "rejection" of infant baptism at the time of the Apostles. Most instances f baptism in the New Testament mention adults, but I don't remember a direct rejection of infant baptism.

As far as Anabaptists being Calvinist or reformed, this couldn't be further from the facts. Other than a couple of groups, Anabaptists hold to Arminian beliefs rather than Calvinist beliefs. Calvin, Zwingli, and Luther all argued against the teachings of the Anabaptists.

As far as the Anabaptists being the first church, that is just silly. There were similar groups earlier in Christian history, but they were not the "Anabaptists". Two such groups were the Donatists and the Waldensians.

CelticRose · Oct 7, 2007

Hey, Danfrey! Long time no see.

Danfrey · Oct 11, 2007

I have been a little preoccupied lately. I got married back in April and being a newlywed had kept me pretty busy.

CelticRose · Oct 11, 2007

Oh, wow!!! Congratulation, Danfrey! The kids happy about it? We've missed you round these parts but quite understand your preoccupation!

Danfrey · Oct 11, 2007

At the age my kids are, they are not real concerned one way or the other as long as Dad doesn't get too involved in their lives. They get along well with my wife.

CelticRose · Oct 12, 2007

May you be blessed & may your marriage be long & happy.

Armistead · Oct 13, 2007

Are Anabaptist OSAS, NOSAS or UR?

MrJim · Oct 13, 2007

Armistead said:
Are Anabaptist OSAS, NOSAS or UR?

Generally arminian...

Whatsa UR?

John Spong is wrong · Oct 14, 2007

JimfromOhio said:
A Baptist drawn to Anabaptism

No - the Revolutionary War was the work of the Freemasons who had insidiously infiltrated American society at the time. The leaders of the Revolution - George Washington & Benjamin Franklin - were masons and most of the Generals under Washington were masons. The war was thus a Masonic War - although this was completely unknown to 99% of Americans at the time who mistakenly thought they were fighting for ideals like 'liberty', 'democracy', and 'freedom'. The fallout from this ill-conceived war continues to be felt to this day.

Btw, after the American Revolution the Masons, flushed with success, turned their attention to France where they succeeded in causing similar chaos and produced yet another 'Animal Farm' type revolution.

Mick116 · Nov 17, 2007

Danfrey said:
You would have a hard time finding a "rejection" of infant baptism at the time of the Apostles. Most instances f baptism in the New Testament mention adults, but I don't remember a direct rejection of infant baptism.

As far as Anabaptists being Calvinist or reformed, this couldn't be further from the facts. Other than a couple of groups, Anabaptists hold to Arminian beliefs rather than Calvinist beliefs. Calvin, Zwingli, and Luther all argued against the teachings of the Anabaptists.

As far as the Anabaptists being the first church, that is just silly. There were similar groups earlier in Christian history, but they were not the "Anabaptists". Two such groups were the Donatists and the Waldensians.

Paul was an Anabaptist. See, he "re-baptized" :

1While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples 2and asked them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?"
They answered, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit."
3So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?"
"John's baptism," they replied. 4Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus." 5On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. (Acts 19:1-5)

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 22, 2007

LivingWordUnity said:
What are all of the differences, and how are they similar? Thanks.

just a quiknote/footnote observation:
as someone pointed out to me last month (at a yard sale?!)
[some]anabaptists obey Yhwh's Word.
All anabaptists say they do.
And at least some can back it up with there life, if not most or close to all of them.

other denoms don't try to, and/or can't and don't say they have to even - they say they don't have to and defend that view..

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 22, 2007

Danfrey said:
You would have a hard time finding a "rejection" of infant baptism at the time of the Apostles. Most instances f baptism in the New Testament mention adults, but I don't remember a direct rejection of infant baptism.

As far as Anabaptists being Calvinist or reformed, this couldn't be further from the facts. Other than a couple of groups, Anabaptists hold to Arminian beliefs rather than Calvinist beliefs. Calvin, Zwingli, and Luther all argued against the teachings of the Anabaptists.

As far as the Anabaptists being the first church, that is just silly. There were similar groups earlier in Christian history, but they were not the "Anabaptists". Two such groups were the Donatists and the Waldensians.

perhaps they didn't 'reject' it because it simply wasn't thought of to do.

too much evidence points to later adoption of it for all the wrong reasons, and if i remember right almost all 'reformers' did reject it and the socalled 'authority' that pushed it.

how many did or didn't reject it is immaterial of course - you're all every one responsible to devour the Scriptures through and through just like an infant yearning for mother's milk or a deer in the wilderness panting for a stream - Yahshua Promised to those who do this that Abba Father the Sovereign Creator would personally teach any/every one who loves the Truth more than anything else including life and friends and religion and money and job ........

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 23, 2007

John Spong is wrong said:
No - the Revolutionary War was the work of the Freemasons who had insidiously infiltrated American society at the time. The leaders of the Revolution - George Washington & Benjamin Franklin - were masons and most of the Generals under Washington were masons. The war was thus a Masonic War - although this was completely unknown to 99% of Americans at the time who mistakenly thought they were fighting for ideals like 'liberty', 'democracy', and 'freedom'. The fallout from this ill-conceived war continues to be felt to this day.

Btw, after the American Revolution the Masons, flushed with success, turned their attention to France where they succeeded in causing similar chaos and produced yet another 'Animal Farm' type revolution.

sounds just like the last ten years also, doesn't it....

(a lot of people dying and never finding out really why....deceived to the end...)

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