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Why is there no need to post a verse (or a passage, or several of each)? My view on baptism does not influence what the holy scriptures say nor what you interpret them to mean so do not let my view make you hesitate to present your view.No need to post a verse
You said that the Gospel is found only in 1 Cor 15:3-4 - how should I know that really means "+ everything Jesus taught"?So you believe Paul needed to also remind us to read about what Jesus instructed at his first coming for salvation, and also follow those, if we want to be saved?
Why "yikes"?
So, you're saying that Jesus only sends the Holy Spirit if a person is water-baptized?all seven sacraments bring a gift, the gift of the Holy Spirit is given in baptism and confirmation, he is also given in ordination.
No, it doesn't.Because any legitimate "Gospel" must include the terms and conditions.
Trust me, I've heard Jesus say "repent and come to me to receive eternal life". I've heard him say "I died for sinners", "I am the only Way to the Father", John 14:6 and "come to me who who are heavy laden and I will give you rest", Matthew 11:28.If a person doesn't understand the terms and conditions, then they haven't actually "heard" the Gospel as of yet. You haven't provided them, so . . . yikes it will be.
I say what the Lord revealed in the four gospels and in the letters and in the Apocalypse; that in baptism one receives the Holy Spirit. I do not add "only" to what the holy scriptures say, nor do I say "but" so that I can ignore what the holy scriptures say.So, you're saying that Jesus only sends the Holy Spirit if a person is water-baptized?
No, it doesn't.
That is the Good News - we could never come to God, reconcile ourselves to God or do anything to make God love and accept us. He has done it all, and he offers eternal life as a free gift, Romans 6:23, Romans 5:8.
The only "terms and conditions" would be; repent and accept Christ.
Trust me, I've heard Jesus say "repent and come to me to receive eternal life". I've heard him say "I died for sinners", "I am the only Way to the Father", John 14:6 and "come to me who who are heavy laden and I will give you rest", Matthew 11:28.
If you are saying that God's love is conditional and we have to do something to earn or deserve it - yikes; back at ya.
I say what the Lord revealed in the four gospels and in the letters and in the Apocalypse; that in baptism one receives the Holy Spirit. I do not add "only" to what the holy scriptures say, nor do I say "but" so that I can ignore what the holy scriptures say.
Don't need luck; I am a child of God and I have Jesus, who keeps his promises.Good luck to ya.
And those Promises need to be understood and expressed in any legitimate "Gospel" given to another with the purpose of "bringing someone to Christ."Don't need luck; I am a child of God and I have Jesus, who keeps his promises.
Okie Doke
He removed the water portion of it for your question,......but he still means water.
He's not talking about the born again Spiritual immersion where we are sealed with The Spirit.
So , enter a verse for your believable on baptism ??I say what the Lord revealed in the four gospels and in the letters and in the Apocalypse; that in baptism one receives the Holy Spirit. I do not add "only" to what the holy scriptures say, nor do I say "but" so that I can ignore what the holy scriptures say.
Gotchya. I have to admit that it's pretty tough to follow these ideas, considering that they are ideas and concepts that don't appear in the Bible with the same language (words used).
Seems like your question is straying off this thread's topic.So , enter a verse for your believable on baptism ??
How about 1 Peter 3:21 , your thoughts ??
dan p
I don't know what you mean by that. Do you not believe that Christ gives us eternal life?And those Promises need to be understood and expressed in any legitimate "Gospel" given to another with the purpose of "bringing someone to Christ."
I don't know what you mean by that. Do you not believe that Christ gives us eternal life?
Why is there no need to post a verse (or a passage, or several of each)? My view on baptism does not influence what the holy scriptures say nor what you interpret them to mean so do not let my view make you hesitate to present your view.
Why?I mean that the Promises and Blessings established in Abraham need to be expressed in any legitimate Gospel that is purposed to bring a person to Christ for Eternal Life.
No one walks blamelessly before the Lord - ALL are sinners, Romans 3:23.These Promises and Blessings are the Spiritual Works performed upon him to cause him to walk blamelessly and Righteously before the Lord. This is what the physical circumcision represents.
You can if you like. I'm not Jewish, nor am I male.If a person wants to be confident that they know the Gospel, they're going to have to drop their "shame" and begin discussing the Holy Word Circumcision.
?? Adam wasn't circumcised.Shame and Circumcision takes us all the way back to early Genesis when Adam looked down and upon the second time the Bible speaks of this, he is now ashamed.
Sin and disobedience to God is the main problem from which people suffer.Shame and uncircumcision is the core problem from which humans suffer.
Which he did. He said "believe in me" and then went to the cross to reconcile us to God.Christ then has Work to do . . . the Redeeming Work necessary for Eternal Life to be gained.
Jesus came to give his life as a ransom for many, Mark 10:45. He later asked "should I say, 'Father save me from this hour'? No, it was for this reason I came", John 12:27.Any legitimate "Gospel" is one that speaks of the Purpose of Christ, the Work of Christ, and the Effect of Christ.
Like I said, the man claimed he was keeping the commands, but was in fact only keeping half of them.If a person does not agree with terms of the Effect of Christ's Work, then Salvation will not be granted. This is what we were supposed to learn from the below Scripture:
Mark 10:17-22 NKJV - "Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, "Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?" So Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one [is] good but One, [that is], God. "You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery,' 'Do not murder,' 'Do not steal,' 'Do not bear false witness,' 'Do not defraud,' 'Honor your father and your mother.' " And he answered and said to Him, "Teacher, all these things I have kept from my youth." Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, "One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me." But he was sad at this word, and went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions."
Do you see it? Jesus answered his question "What shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?" The young man didn't approve of Jesus's terms and conditions, so he went away sad.
Have you done it then?Now me, I cannot comprehend why anyone who was excited about Eternal Life would be upset that Jesus would tell them to give it all away only to turn and follow Him, Jesus, instead. That would be perfect! I would love to abandon all things and be with Jesus everywhere He went. I would have no need for anything. Perfect! Let's go!
Jesus' blood sealed the NEW Covenant that was about the forgiveness of sin.Why would I be willing? Because I agree with the terms of the Covenant, which is that God will cause Rigtheousness, Purity, Holiness, and the desires that cause us to obey.
No.What are the terms and conditions? We need to be ready to answer that question, for if a Transformation is to be expected, a person needs to be aware of it.
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