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And you then believe that 1 Cor 10:2 means that All were BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO with WATER // HYDOR ??Peace to all,
Paul taught the Pentecost of the Gentiles with Peter to the people in Cornelius. God did the exact same thing to Cornelius and the Gentiles as He did to the 120 Jewish followers on the day of Pentecost.
And Paul wrote more than half of the New Testament.
Corinthians
I don’t want you to forget, dear brothers and sisters, about our ancestors in the wilderness long ago. All of them were guided by a cloud that moved ahead of them, and all of them walked through the sea on dry ground.
They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
They all ate the same spiritual food.
and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did.
Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.”
We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died.
We should not test Christ, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes.
And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.
These things happened to them to serve as an example, and they were written down as a warning for us in whom the culmination of the ages has been attained.
So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!
No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry.
I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say.
Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ?
Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.
Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar?
Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything?
No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons.
You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons.
Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?
“I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything"—but not everything is constructive.
No one should seek their own good, but the good of others.
Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience
for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”
If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience.
But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience.
I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience?
If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?
So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.
Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God
even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved. Peace to all,
The new covenant sacrifice has fulfilled the sacrifice of animals that has only saved the soul, but not the body. The New Living Sacrifice saves the soul and the Body.
The new living sacrifice is the Body of Christ, resurrected in the New Living Sacrifice, that allows the second coming of The Christ, The Body of all disciples as adopted brothers and sisters of Christ, to Transfigure into the image of the Creator, The Father.
To me, it is through the Baptism of John that allows the Body of Christ to die and descend and with flesh He, like a thief in the night breaks down the gates of Hell and binds the strong man in His own home, breaks down the walls with flesh and destroys death and Satan forever. And Jesus is with all the saints and angels and martyrs and old covenant saved and with Dismas, the good thief, the repentant sinner all from the Bosom of Abraham and now all from the cross. To me this is how all mankind is united through the Power of the Holy Spirit as one in being with the Father and the Son glorified and Transfigured into image of the creator. To me this is the logic of how we will see God, The Father.
Some teach Baptism is considered a Sacrament of the Dead in that Baptism brings life in The New Eve, the Body of Christ,to bring fully death and resurrection of the body through the power of the Holy Spirit will of God to be able to Transfigure in the sanctified fulfilled eternal love of The Christ, the Body of God, in the image of The Creator, the Father. Baptism is the Exodus, the Road out for salvation into the New Eve, the Bride of Christ, His Passion.
To me, this is the logic of Baptism and the Communion.
The Cloud and the Sea is the spirit and life and water that flowed from the Side of Christ. To me, Baptism and Communion in the fellowship of The Christ is to bring the being into the immortal and incorruptible Body into the Church of Christ. And then, The Communion, through reconfirmation of the Holy Spirit state of grace to the being the spirit is regenerated in the soul of the being for the body to become transfigured into the image of the Creator, into the pattern of the Father in Heaven. We, as all mankind united as one in being, will be like God.
And the Living Sacrifice is what restores sanctification to the soul of the being in the Body to transfigure, to become into the image of The Father, the Creator. To me this is the fulfillment of the eternal Love created by the flesh and soul of Adam and Eve. Adam’s only sin was he would give up his mortal eternal life to be with the Love of fallen Eve. And the “Gift” to US all is Jesus. In the Communion The Christ fulfills failed Love with eternal life of the Body. And the regenerated sanctified spirit in the soul of the being and immortal and incorruptible becomes eternal life of the Body, spirit and flesh in the soul of the being. Through the Power of the Holy Spirit will of God in the regenerated sanctified Holy Spirit in the Soul of the Being we become Transfigured into the image of The Father in the Body of The Christ.
To me, this is the logic of the second coming of The Christ, through the Power of the Holy Spirit.
From Iceland, An Empire for US, all mankind.
"From the rain comes a river
Running wild that we create
An empire for you
Illuminate there is a river
Running wild that will create
An empire for you." OMAM
To me, this is The "Gift."
Peace always,
m Stephen Andrew
And I see two major verse that speak about the LORD'S SUPPER .I believe communion is personal between christ and the believer but is made where two or three are gathered to remember His sacrifice but requires not the faith of the other but the person so can have anywhere where christians are gathered. And even if not understand fully the mystery how it can be His actual body and blood you are eating and drinking without causing Him to suffer again and how it is possible to partake of actual flesh and blood that was offered at another time than it happened can believe it as christ said saying it is a mystery. For if you had to understand it even many orthodox and catholic could not have it not understanding. It says where 2 or 3 are gathered as sometimes needs 3 to make peace between 2 but that seems a general statement too but maybe He is present in communion just by yourself and christ too if you are remembering but maybe He is present in gathering only that He made it only when remembering christ together.
But perhaps His flesh and blood still exists slain but He is not suffering now that are partaking from that part cut off but He has a new body now that such pieces are cut off and because salvation was completed but unlike others that their body decays His is a special case that such body part does not decay and has ability to redeem if eat and drink from it. Or it is part of His resurrected body having His soul which does not feel pain when you eat and drink from it that the flesh that you eat yet is not taken from His body but remains but you are still partaking of His soul redemption through His flesh and blood in some mysterious way. But such is only necessary to be saved immediately before death if followed all of christ but even without communion one will be saved in world to come but not straightaway.
But Matt 26:29 talking to the the disciples , that I WILL , NOT // ME is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , meaning I wil NOTTTTTTTTTTTT ever drink , until that day when I drink it NEW with you in my FATHER'S KINGDOMAnd I see two major verse that speak about the LORD'S SUPPER .
# 1 ONE MAJOR ONE is in Matt 26:26- 29 , which is written to Israel !!
# 2 The other major one is in 1 Cor 11:20-34 which is written to the BODY OF CHRIST !!
Your thoughts ?
dan p
But the context is ONLY speaking to Israel in Matt 26:28 is speaking about the NEW COVENANT in the MILLENNIALIt just means because Jesus is not here to physically be present to share the communion only then He can in heaven but we still partake of Him that He gives to us but not to be physically present
No, Dan, the Church is not taken away before Matt 26:28 happens. The blood of the New Covenant was shed almost 2000 years ago, and the New Covenant is for anyone, Jew or Gentile, who accepts Jesus as the Christ and the Son of God.But the context is ONLY speaking to Israel in Matt 26:28 is speaking about the NEW COVENANT in the MILLENNIAL
KINGDOM // BASILEIA , is in the DATIVE CASE in the Singular .
And we are TAKEN away before Matt 26:28 happens !!
dan p
AND i HAVE NEVER heard , that just to be saved immediately on death to fulfil the great commission and will you presentBible only christians should offer communion in their church as real body and blood just to be saved immediately on death to fulfill the great commision so that people are not saved fully without their work but they are still saved.
And to satisfy some people would be better if some taught it as required baptism and comminion though I dont think it is required but they are not aiding for great commision that churches should exist everywhere to serve to do to teach incase so even if not know to think it could not be necessary yet can accept it just incase that it is necessary.
However it is not an excuse not to believe as should trust God justice that such is not required but that people should do such that people can be saved immediately on death.
And many never seem to quote Mark 16:17. and these signs shall follow them. that believe : In my name shall they cast outIf we truly love God, then we will obey "Every word" that proceeds out of his mouth (Matthew 4:4). Baptism is one of those words. In order to be baptized, certain events must take place: You must repent, give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. You must be taught "The Word", before you can adhere to God's commandments (judgments\statues). These laws are found in the Holy Bible; beginning with Genesis and ending with Revelation. You must believe what the bible says and finally, you must confess that Jesus is Lord. Once this has been accomplished, you are qualified to be baptized in the name of Jesus.
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, "repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38). “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.” Romans 6:3-4,
"And he said unto them, go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:15-16).
I believe those things been going on since the Lord spoken it in Mark 16: 16-20. Let's go into 1 Corinthians 12: 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.And many never seem to quote Mark 16:17. and these signs shall follow them. that believe : In my name shall they cast out
devils , they shall speak with new tongues ,
Verse 18 , they shall take up serpents , and if they drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them , they shall LAY hands
on the sick , and they shall recover.
And you missed these 2 verses ?
And when do you say Mark 16: 16-20 is going to happen , TODAY or When ??
# 1. Maybe before the so-called Raptue. ? Just to remind all , there is NO Greek word. called Rapture in. the Greek. Text
# 2. Maybe a Post- Tri. ?
# 3. Maybe during the Great Triulation. ?
dan p
AND why not print a verse where Paul says it is required to be Baptized to. be. saved or to be Born Again ??You have expressed some interesting views here in your post.
I'm not acquainted with the beliefs of Oriental Orthodoxy, so I'll have to take your word for it that these thoughts align with their beliefs.
Perhaps someone else who is more knowledgeable than I am could chime in with their thoughts??
And read Rom 5:1-5. will change your mind !!I think rather we can’t afford to be wrong and we must leave judgement to God so people should be baptized communion also could be necessary so we should do it though we don’t know it is necessary it could not be or just necessary to be saved on death but we don’t know so it should be done incase
aAnd I have read where some , claimed to pick up snakes , until they were bitten. !!I believe those things been going on since the Lord spoken it in Mark 16: 16-20. Let's go into 1 Corinthians 12: 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
So so the Lord bless different gifts upon people that serve in spirit and in truth, keeping his Commandments and having faith in Jesus Christ. And so Paul/ was given a lot of these gifts, and a lot of other people are still getting these gifts.
And you left OUT , for. the Greek text , DO YE /. POIEO. a verb in the Greek Present these , Active Voice , in. theMy thoughts are they are the same Christ instituted it as Paul said that He was saying the one he did in corinthians is from then when the Lord instituted it and it is said the break which we break is it not the communion of the body of Christ and it is called a supper so it is a food as Christ said My flesh is food indeed and My blood is drink indeed and He said this is My body but such is not necessary to ever be saved but just to commune with Christ to unite more fully with Him He made it to be saved immediately on death if one also followed all Christ’s will.
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