Ban assault rifles!

rturner76 · Jan 14, 2024

Desk trauma said:
My mental health and level of empathy are and remain irrelevant to this discussion

To me mental health is critical for an assault riflr owner. You may disagree and think it's okay for suicidal people to go on a killing spree before they blow their brains out but I don't It's totally right for you to keep your mental health status private but I do think it's relevant considering the posesson of assault rifles

Vambram said:
Not necessarily the same exact solution that you appear to want. My wife is the gun owner in my house. She has two rifles. We only use those rifles for hunting and self-defense. I consider myself to be a strong proponent in favor of the 2nd Amendment.

I actually do agree with the 2nd Amendment and the ownership of hunting rifles and handguns. Some people need rifles to feed their families. I'm not for banning all firearms, just assault rifles. I know people think they need them if a tyrant gets into office or there is some kind of government collapse but I believe people can protect themselves without needing a 30-round magazine and especially multiple 30-round magazines. Like that guy in Las Vegas. He shot like 400-something people. a much smaller number were killed but he maimed and paralyzed hundreds of people. That was just one man with a bag full of assault rifles and large-capacity magazines. Horrific damage was done by one man. I think we need to do our best to prevent that. He obtained all of his gear legally. I think we have to set some limitations on that stuff.

SavedByGrace3 · Jan 14, 2024

rturner76 said:
If you are some paranoid person who feels that they need 30-round magazines to protect your family, you are exactly the person who shouldn't be allowed to have multiple 30-round mags lying around your house. It's been proven over and over that parents don't seem to be able to keep their psychopathic children from accessing their assault rifles. Ban them. Make them illegal so people can't legally purchase an assault rifle without the sense to keep their children from accessing them. When the Second Amendment was written we had one-shot muskets. I don't think that opens up the door for people to stock up on AR-15s and AK-47s. Get your hunting rifle. A 30.06 can blast a hole through anything that moves. A 6-shot .357 or .44 magnum can shoot down anyone who invades your home. Not to mention a 12-guage. What do you need 30 rounds for? Are you so afraid of everyday life that you can't sleep unless you can shoot 27 little babies in 4 minutes like at Sandyhook?

I just had to post this because I saw a Sandy Hook parent pleading for us to stop these atrocities. Get your 12 gauges, your hunting rifles, and your 6 shooters. Why do people feel like they need 90 or more high-power bullets to stop an intruder? Are we living in a Mad Max-type world where there is absolutely no law and order? Call 911 and blast a couple of shots if you have to but there is no need to grant the ability for some guy to shoot down a whole neighborhood or carelessly let their psycho child gain access to their assault rifle and take out a whole lunchroom of babies.

Save the children!

There is just so much wrong with this that I don't know where to start....
I will just let it crumble under its own weight.

rturner76 · Jan 15, 2024

SavedByGrace3 said:
There is just so much wrong with this that I don't know where to start....
I will just let it crumble under its own weight.

If you are unable to articulate what's wrong with it your conscience is telling you that it's right.

Richard T · Jan 15, 2024

rturner76 said:
If you are some paranoid person who feels that they need 30-round magazines to protect your family, you are exactly the person who shouldn't be allowed to have multiple 30-round mags lying around your house. It's been proven over and over that parents don't seem to be able to keep their psychopathic children from accessing their assault rifles. Ban them. Make them illegal so people can't legally purchase an assault rifle without the sense to keep their children from accessing them. When the Second Amendment was written we had one-shot muskets. I don't think that opens up the door for people to stock up on AR-15s and AK-47s. Get your hunting rifle. A 30.06 can blast a hole through anything that moves. A 6-shot .357 or .44 magnum can shoot down anyone who invades your home. Not to mention a 12-guage. What do you need 30 rounds for? Are you so afraid of everyday life that you can't sleep unless you can shoot 27 little babies in 4 minutes like at Sandyhook?

I just had to post this because I saw a Sandy Hook parent pleading for us to stop these atrocities. Get your 12 gauges, your hunting rifles, and your 6 shooters. Why do people feel like they need 90 or more high-power bullets to stop an intruder? Are we living in a Mad Max-type world where there is absolutely no law and order? Call 911 and blast a couple of shots if you have to but there is no need to grant the ability for some guy to shoot down a whole neighborhood or carelessly let their psycho child gain access to their assault rifle and take out a whole lunchroom of babies.

Save the children!

While living in Florida there was a home invasion in my town in the dead of the night, as four men put a gun to the head of a retired law enforcement officer. He did not resist and the robbers came away with his 11 weapons. Suppose now you live in the neighborhood, you still just recommend a shotgun? How many rounds would you need for 4 men with semi's? Crime occurs in many different ways, I think it is best to leave it to the individuals to make up their own mind as to their weaponry (if any) and their potential responses.

rturner76 · Jan 15, 2024

Richard T said:
While living in Florida there was a home invasion in my town in the dead of the night, as four men put a gun to the head of a retired law enforcement officer. He did not resist and the robbers came away with his 11 weapons. Suppose now you live in the neighborhood, you still just recommend a shotgun? How many rounds would you need for 4 men with semi's? Crime occurs in many different ways, I think it is best to leave it to the individuals to make up their own mind as to their weaponry (if any) and their potential responses.

They are sure welcome to, and I am welcome to say that is the man didn't have 11 firearms, 11 firearms would not be on the black market. What the man went through is a tragedy and I wouldn't wish that on anybody but a semi-automatic Mossberg can blow away a whole room full of people. That's why it's called a "street sweeper." How would a 30-round mag have any better effect? They are still sold as semi-automatics and from what it sounds like, they got the drop on him before he could reach any weapon so that's 11 more firearms in the hands of drug dealers and street gangs.

Everyone has to make their own choice as to what weapons they keep in their home, how they secure them, and when to use them. I'm not against the 2nd Amendment, I am just against high-capacity magazines. However, someone like a retired police officer or retired military would likely be better trained on how to secure their weapons and when it is appropriate to use them. A retired police officer likely has made a lot of enemies so I could see why they would feel it was necessary to have high-powered weapons whatever they are.

I remember when I kept an arsenal myself, I was able to purchase a weapon that held up to 12 1/4 grenades and I thought in my head "I wonder how many lunatics have one of there." In my state, if you have a conceal and carry permit, you can walk out of a gun shop with enough assault rifles and grenade launchers to start a private war the same day, just cash and carry. I think we've proven with all of the mass murders that everyday citizens can't be trusted to cash and carry that kind of firepower. I'm all for freedom and protecting one's family but sometimes it can be overkill, and when you are in a situation like the police officer you mentioned, you might find yourself arming a whole gang of criminals. We need our home protection but I feel that there can be overkill literally.

Richard T · Jan 15, 2024

I think as one gets older the tendency I think is to hang on to various guns unless you need the money. I think they were in a safe, but he lived through this ordeal so giving the weapons up was the right thing to do. I think society is increasingly evil so I am not sure what policies would work as far as protecting children in a school setting. I would prefer a hardened school that offers no easy access and tight security I guess. I would not want it to be like a prison though. Any other ideas besides limiting magazines?

Desk trauma · Jan 15, 2024

Richard T said:
I think as one gets older the tendency I think is to hang on to various guns unless you need the money. I think they were in a safe, but he lived through this ordeal so giving the weapons up was the right thing to do. I think society is increasingly evil so I am not sure what policies would work as far as protecting children in a school setting. I would prefer a hardened school that offers no easy access and tight security I guess. I would not want it to be like a prison though. Any other ideas besides limiting magazines?

Arm the child of course, starting in kindergarten.

rturner76 · Jan 15, 2024

Richard T said:
I think as one gets older the tendency I think is to hang on to various guns unless you need the money. I think they were in a safe, but he lived through this ordeal so giving the weapons up was the right thing to do. I think society is increasingly evil so I am not sure what policies would work as far as protecting children in a school setting. I would prefer a hardened school that offers no easy access and tight security I guess. I would not want it to be like a prison though. Any other ideas besides limiting magazines?

It's a tough thing because the NRA holds a lot of sway in the government. They don't want to allow any restrictions on firearm purchases and the people in the government whom they write checks to tend to agree with them

I do agree that it is a very difficult problem to sole. Mostly because even if no more firearms were ever sold, there would still be enough weapons to arm every man, woman, and child in the USA. There is no way to hide from that or ignore it so people feel like as long as so many guns are out there, I should have some to protect my family from the millions of gun owners out there. I get that. I think maybe we could make a start by banning anything above a 17-round magazine. I still don't like that much firearm capacity but maybe, just maybe the general public might frrl like they can protect their families with 15-17 round mags instead of 20. Then there is the issue of other people still having 30-round mags so it's like there is no way that having a gun is going to keep you safe. You have a means of protection but someone can always get the drop on you and steal your firearms bringing them to the black market.

So I guess all this adds up to is that I have no idea of how to eliminate the problem of gun violence but I think we can take some steps that might make it harder for a gunman to kill 27 babies in 4 minutes.

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