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But doesn't the Bible say that anyone who denies Jesus's divinity is a false prophet?You see, this is where you and the OP are getting a little confused. The Baha'i Faith does not in any way proclaim Jesus or Baha'u'llah to be divine.
Ok then you dont accept Christian understanding of trinity, I get it.And how do you correct the beginning passage of John which says '...and the Word was God'?
Do you accept Muslim understanding of Unity which is described in the surah Ihlas 'Say He Allah is one'?
But doesn't the Bible say that anyone who denies Jesus's divinity is a false prophet?
We accept that Jesus was human Who perfectly reflected God.... Most of the "false prophet" verses refer to those in the early church if you'll check on it.
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I know this. And this is where the Baha'i faith breaks from Muslim understanding of "Judgement Day."
To Baha'i's, as taught by Baha'u'llah, the Day of Judgement as described in Christianity and Islam, is a misconception. It is instead, a metaphorical description of the advent of the next dispensation and the next Messenger. I won't bore you with colorful language, there are many books for you to read. It's what I did. Since there is no climactic end of the world, there will necessarily have to be more Messengers.
1:14 Now 34 the Word became flesh 35 and took up residence 36 among us. We 37 saw his glory – the glory of the one and only, 38 full of grace and truth, who came from the Father. 1:15 John 39 testified 40 about him and shouted out, 41 “This one was the one about whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is greater than I am, 42 because he existed before me.’” 1:16 For we have all received from his fullness one gracious gift after another. 43 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, but 44 grace and truth came about through Jesus Christ. 1:18 No one has ever seen God. The only one, 45 himself God, who is in closest fellowship with 46 the Father, has made God 47 known. 48Well in the original Greek the word "Word" was Logos, and the context of the passage is taken from earlier religious concepts which allude that the Logos was creation itself.
Note the pagan philosopher, whose name I forget, who traveled the earth and "found the Logos within us all."
In its originality, it was kind of a glorification of pantheism. "John" just took it and attempted to confine it to one person.
That being said, it is possible that "John" as the later people who created Christianity as we know it today, misunderstood Jesus and so on and so forth.
WE believe that Quran is a cure for all mankind and untill the End.And Hz.Muhammed said that there will not be any other revelation.There will be only some scolars for each century to comment Quran and Sunnah for the new problems.
To Israel He was neither more nor less than the
incarnation of the "Everlasting Father", the "Lord of
Hosts" come down "with ten thousands of saints"; to
Christendom Christ returned "in the glory of the Father";
to Shí'ah Islam the return of the Imam Husayn; to Sunni
Islam the descent of the "Spirit of God" (Jesus Christ); to
the Zoroastrians the promised Shah-Bahram; to the
Hindus the reincarnation of Krishna; to the Buddhists
the fifth Buddha. (Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 234)
When we read Quran we clearly see 'the Apocalypse' will happen phsically, litteraly at the end.There will not be a universe after that and no messenger too.
Evolution:I will check out Bahai Reference Library, but could you tell me what is the position of Bahai's on Theory of Evolution and Homosexuality?
But doesn't the Bible say that anyone who denies Jesus's divinity is a false prophet?
1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. (King James Bible, 2 John)
XXXVI. Know thou that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee. The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the ablest hands have produced, the influence 86 exerted by the most potent of rulers, are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive, and resplendent Spirit.
We testify that when He came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the leprosy of perversity and ignorance. Through Him, the unchaste and wayward were healed. Through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened, and the soul of the sinner sanctified. -(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 85)
tHis material univeres will end and the Judgement will appear and then heaven and hell will appear...a different life form in a different place
"And they do not value God at His true value; while the earth all of it is but a handful for Him on the resurrection day, and the heavens shall be rolled up in His right hand! Celebrated be His praise! and exalted be He above what they associate with Him! And the trumpet shall be blown, and those who are in the heavens and in the earth shall swoon, save whom God pleases. Then it shall be blown again, and, lo! they shall stand up and look on. And the earth shall beam with the light of its Lord, and the Book shall be set forth, and the prophets and martyrs shall be brought; and it shall be decreed between them in truth, and they shall not be wronged! And every soul shall be paid for what it has done, and He knows best that which they do; and those who misbelieve shall be driven to hell in troops; and when they come there, its doors shall be opened, and its keepers shall say to them, 'Did not apostles from amongst yourselves come to you to recite to you the signs of your Lord, and to warn you of the meeting of this day of yours?' They shall say, 'Yea, but the sentence of torment was due against the misbelievers!' It shall be said, 'Enter ye the gates of hell, to dwell therein for aye! Hell is the resort of those who are too big with pride!' But those who fear their Lord shall be driven to Paradise in troops; until they come there, its doors shall be opened, and its keepers shall say to them, 'Peace be upon you, ye have done well! so enter in to dwell for aye!' and they shall say, 'Praise be to God, who hath made good His promise to us, and hath given us the earth to inherit! We establish ourselves in Paradise wherever we please and goodly is the reward of those who work!'" (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 39 - The Troops)
Hi and nice post Harmony.One thing all scriptures have in common is the use of glorious descriptive language to express spiritual realities. A strictly literal reading of scripture therefore leads to a strictly literal interpretation.
This verse from the Quran itself explains that many believers will have misunderstood the meanings enshrined within.
It also tells us that some will inherit the earth, so does that not tell us that the earth will not be literally destroyed?
When we read Quran we clearly see 'the Apocalypse' will happen phsically, litteraly at the end.There will not be a universe after that and no messenger too.
I respect the Bahai faith but the first princible of the logic says something is either A or not A.If you say Jesus is the manifestation of God then you contradict Quran which says Jesus is not.And Bahais say Quran is true revelaton of God too.
can I ask whats your explanation ?
Originally Posted by anatolian
I respect the Bahai faith but the first princible of the logic says something is either A or not A.If you say Jesus is the manifestation of God then you contradict Quran which says Jesus is not.And Bahais say Quran is true revelaton of God too.
can I ask whats your explanation ?
Bump......Perhaps the Quran contradicts the Bible? The Muslims nor Jews read Revelation where many of the answers are given by the LORD in the Final Revelation to Mankind and especially the "symbolic" Jews and Israel.Where do you see a difference in the definitions of "Rasul" and "Manifestation of God"?
So, Baha'u'llah was both the Christ and Mahdi?
Also, there were certain Earth-shattering things that were suppose to happen with the return of Christ that no one could miss. I could be wrong, but I don't think any such thing has happened.
1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him... (King James Bible, Revelation)
LXX. The world's equilibrium hath been upset through the vibrating influence of this most great, this new World Order. Mankind's ordered life hath been revolutionized through the agency of this unique, this wondrous System -- the like of which mortal eyes have never witnessed. (Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 136)
Hi and nice post. That passage is taken from the OC Book of Jeremiah btw.yes, all of the Holy Books express this is gloriously descriptive language. for example the Bible says that 'every eye shall see Him'.
but could you tell me what is the position of Bahai's on Theory of Evolution and Homosexuality?
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