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The Great Leap Backward

Vox Day

Posted: June 27, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

It is time to change the national anthem. The land is no longer free. Last week, in an appalling decision that will prove to be every bit as infamous as the Dred Scott and Roe v. Wade decisions, the Supreme Court eliminated the American right to property and in one fell swoop, converted the country into the legal equivalent of a Third World society.

This is not a minor matter, it is a calculated provocation, an insult to the American people and their rights which makes a mockery of them as well as the current administration and its obsession with external terrorists and exogenous threats to liberty. The White House is chasing phantoms of democracy in the Middle East, pretending to bring freedom there even as the most basic freedoms are being methodically destroyed within America itself.

No 9-11 attack, no suitcase nuke exploding in Manhattan or Los Angeles, could injure the nation one-tenth as much as the Supreme Court harmed America in its totalitarian Kelo decision, wherein a majority of the ironically named "justices" declared that a government may forcibly take property from one party and give it to another party, at its sole discretion.

This is a major expansion of the eminent domain concept, and I can confidently predict that the redefinition of the constitutional term "public use" will soon be as stretched beyond recognition as the now-meaningless phrase "interstate commerce," the Orwellian term that now covers things that do not cross state lines (and thus are not interstate) and have not been sold or exchanged for other goods (and thus are not commerce).

The poisonous and contorted logic used by the judicial fascists is childlike, only no parent with detectable brainwave activity would accept it from his child. Consider the paper-thin veil of words with which Stephen Breyer attempted to cover his tortured reasoning:

... there is no taking for private use that you could imagine in reality that wouldn't also have a public benefit of some kind, whether it's increasing jobs or increasing taxes, etc. That's a fact of the world. And so given that fact of the world, that is law, why shouldn't the law say, OK, virtually every taking is all right, as long as there is some public benefit which there always is ...

So therefore, public is private, black is white, war is peace and Kelo is constitutional. Q.E.D.

Clearly, Joe McCarthy didn't know the half of it. Seizing property from one party and giving it to another is a hallmark of communism (as well as other left-wing variants on socialism such as Maoism, Nazism and fascism); the fact that the Supreme Court did not follow its decision by bursting into song with a lusty chorus of "The International" should not cause anyone to miss the significance of this latest step toward the United Socialist States of America.

Although perhaps the court's actions would be better viewed as a great leap backward. For the Left has always been a fraud, and certainly Kelo serves to shine a bright light on the myth that the liberals on the court actually give a damn about the little guy and the less-fortunate.

Merely substitute a few terms in describing the system and it becomes clear that the Supreme Court has established a neofeudal oligarchy, where all land is held in the name of the federal government-king, governed by his local government-nobles and worked by taxpayer-serfs. Should one serf fail to produce a satisfactory harvest of crops-tax revenues, the noble can take the land from one serf and give it to another who promises to produce a more abundant harvest.

61 years ago, F.A. von Hayek warned of "The Road to Serfdom." We have reached our destination and it is time now for Americans to decide if we are still the Sons of Liberty or if we are merely modern-day serfs. Some will argue that we have no choice but to submit to the judicial tyranny of our five would-be masters – Sam Adams and Ebenezer McIntosh, among others, would never have agreed.

The first widely known acts of the Sons took place on Aug. 14, 1765, when an effigy of Andrew Oliver (who was to be commissioned Distributor of Stamps for Massachusetts) was found hanging in a tree on Newbury Street, along with a large boot with a devil climbing out of it. The boot was a play on the name of the Earl of Bute and the whole display was intended to establish an evil connection between Oliver and the Stamp Act.

The sheriffs were told to remove the display, but protested in fear of their lives, for a large crowd had formed at the scene. Before the evening, a mob burned Oliver's property on Kilby Street, then moved on to his house. There they beheaded the effigy and stoned the house as its occupants looked out in horror. They then moved to nearby Fort Hill were they built a large fire and burned what was left of the effigy. Most of the crowd dissipated at that point, however McIntosh and crew, then under cover of darkness, ransacked Oliver's abandoned home until midnight.
 

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How about take their homes by public domain???

Its would be more PC than to put an effigy in a tree, and ransack their place.

Then again, as I posted elsewhere... I sort of like the idea that one could extend this into the business sector. If you don't like your competition, then simply convinced the zoning board to give you their property, as you will pay more in taxes than they would.

Or, take over the mineral rights of the oil companies through a similiar process. Market value when it comes to eminent domain is usually a small fraction of true market value. Maybe we could take over the oil companies for a song....

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mnphysicist said:
How about take their homes by public domain???

Its would be more PC than to put an effigy in a tree, and ransack their place.

Then again, as I posted elsewhere... I sort of like the idea that one could extend this into the business sector. If you don't like your competition, then simply convinced the zoning board to give you their property, as you will pay more in taxes than they would.

Or, take over the mineral rights of the oil companies through a similiar process. Market value when it comes to eminent domain is usually a small fraction of true market value. Maybe we could take over the oil companies for a song....

Ron

I particularly like the story of the Lakewood, Ohio residents and their (now previous) mayor, Madeleine Cain. She decided that an area in the city that had potential for a higher tax base (condos) should be considered "blighted," and the current residents should be thrown off their property.

She, and the city council, defined blighted as...well, I will let her tell you:

But the condos can't go up unless the city can remove the Saleets and their neighbors through eminent domain. And to legally invoke eminent domain, the city had to certify that this scenic park area is, really, "blighted."

“We're not blighted. This is an area that we absolutely love. This is a close-knit, beautiful neighborhood. It's what America's all about,” says Jim Saleet. “And, Mike, you don't know how humiliating this is to have people tell you, 'You live in a blighted area,' and how degrading this is.”

"The term 'blighted' is a statutory word," says Mayor Cain. “It is, it really doesn't have a lot to do with whether or not your home is painted. ...A statutory term is used to describe an area. The question is whether or not that area can be used for a higher and better use.”

But what’s higher and better than a home? “The term 'blight' is used to describe whether or not the structures generally in an area meet today's standards,” says Cain.

And it's the city that sets those standards, so Lakewood set a standard for blight that would include most of the homes in the neighborhood. A home could be considered blighted, says Jim Saleet, if it doesn't have the following: three bedrooms, two baths, an attached two-car garage and central air.​

And then the amazing part:

“This community's over 100 years old. Who has all those things? That's the criteria. And it's ridiculous,” says Jim Saleet. “And, by the way, we got up at a meeting and told the mayor and all seven council members, their houses are blighted, according to this criteria.”

Cain admits that her house doesn’t have two bathrooms, a two-car garage and the lot size is less than 5,000 square feet.

Unbelievable!! But it does have an happy ending:

Back in Lakewood, Ohio, Jim and Joanne Saleet are still waiting for their court decision. Most of their neighbors have agreed to sell if the project goes ahead. But the Saleets, plus a dozen others, are hanging tough.

“I thought I bought this place. But I guess I just leased it, until the city wants it,” says Jim Saleet. “That's what makes me very angry. This is my dream home. And I'm gonna fight for it.” He fought, and he won. In separate votes, Lakewood residents rejected the proposed development, removed the "blight" label from the Saleets' neighborhood, and voted Mayor Cain out of office.​

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/26/60minutes/main575343.shtml
 
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Melethiel said:
At least the USSR had better social services. :p

Really? Breadlines are better? Or did you mean worse as better, like the more socialistic a country becomes, the better socialistic it is, but actually it is worse, since socialism is evil?
 
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ChiRho said:
I particularly like the story of the Lakewood, Ohio residents and their (now previous) mayor, Madeleine Cain. She decided that an area in the city that had potential for a higher tax base (condos) should be considered "blighted," and the current residents should be thrown off their property.

She, and the city council, defined blighted as...well, I will let her tell you:


But the condos can't go up unless the city can remove the Saleets and their neighbors through eminent domain. And to legally invoke eminent domain, the city had to certify that this scenic park area is, really, "blighted."


“We're not blighted. This is an area that we absolutely love. This is a close-knit, beautiful neighborhood. It's what America's all about,” says Jim Saleet. “And, Mike, you don't know how humiliating this is to have people tell you, 'You live in a blighted area,' and how degrading this is.”

"The term 'blighted' is a statutory word," says Mayor Cain. “It is, it really doesn't have a lot to do with whether or not your home is painted. ...A statutory term is used to describe an area. The question is whether or not that area can be used for a higher and better use.”

But what’s higher and better than a home? “The term 'blight' is used to describe whether or not the structures generally in an area meet today's standards,” says Cain.

And it's the city that sets those standards, so Lakewood set a standard for blight that would include most of the homes in the neighborhood. A home could be considered blighted, says Jim Saleet, if it doesn't have the following: three bedrooms, two baths, an attached two-car garage and central air.

And then the amazing part:


“This community's over 100 years old. Who has all those things? That's the criteria. And it's ridiculous,” says Jim Saleet. “And, by the way, we got up at a meeting and told the mayor and all seven council members, their houses are blighted, according to this criteria.”


Cain admits that her house doesn’t have two bathrooms, a two-car garage and the lot size is less than 5,000 square feet.

Unbelievable!! But it does have an happy ending:


Back in Lakewood, Ohio, Jim and Joanne Saleet are still waiting for their court decision. Most of their neighbors have agreed to sell if the project goes ahead. But the Saleets, plus a dozen others, are hanging tough.


“I thought I bought this place. But I guess I just leased it, until the city wants it,” says Jim Saleet. “That's what makes me very angry. This is my dream home. And I'm gonna fight for it.” He fought, and he won. In separate votes, Lakewood residents rejected the proposed development, removed the "blight" label from the Saleets' neighborhood, and voted Mayor Cain out of office.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/26/60minutes/main575343.shtml

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ChiRho said:
“I thought I bought this place. But I guess I just leased it, until the city wants it,” says Jim Saleet.

Then I guess we shouldn't have to pay property taxes anymore, I mean if "our" property is actually owned by the government, it should be tax exempt, right??:scratch:


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ChiRho said:
Yeah, what a scam, huh?! Everyone rents. :mad:

Sound very similar to what the Indians pulled here near where I live. There is an Indian territory near here and for years people had leased land from the tribe and built homes and businesses. The home owners paid a yearly lease to the tribe, but they owned the houses and other improvements. That is until the 99 year treaty with the federal government expired and the tribe was able to negotiate their own deals. They immediately claimed ownership not only of the land but also of any and all improvements, including people's homes. New lease negotiations included leasing not only the land but the house on the land. The homeowners stated that they already owned the houses and weren't going to pay the Indians for their own homes. The tribe appealed to the federal government and they won. Either the home"owners" signed the new leases with the tribe, including the lease for their "own" homes, or they were to vacate thge premises... with zero compensation! Many of them did sign the lease, which basically meant that they gave away their investments in their homes, but a few refused. They were evicted...from their own homes. One man burned his house to the ground and was sued by the tribe. Another physically moved his house to another piece of property that he owned off-reservation and the tribe tried to sue him and make him put the house back on the reservation.
It wasn't necessarily the fault of the tribe, but rather of the federal government for simply allowing the tribe to take what didn't necessarily belong to them.
 
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GreekWeasel said:
Sound very similar to what the Indians pulled here near where I live. There is an Indian territory near here and for years people had leased land from the tribe and built homes and businesses. The home owners paid a yearly lease to the tribe, but they owned the houses and other improvements. That is until the 99 year treaty with the federal government expired and the tribe was able to negotiate their own deals. They immediately claimed ownership not only of the land but also of any and all improvements, including people's homes. New lease negotiations included leasing not only the land but the house on the land. The homeowners stated that they already owned the houses and weren't going to pay the Indians for their own homes. The tribe appealed to the federal government and they won. Either the home"owners" signed the new leases with the tribe, including the lease for their "own" homes, or they were to vacate thge premises... with zero compensation! Many of them did sign the lease, which basically meant that they gave away their investments in their homes, but a few refused. They were evicted...from their own homes. One man burned his house to the ground and was sued by the tribe. Another physically moved his house to another piece of property that he owned off-reservation and the tribe tried to sue him and make him put the house back on the reservation.
It wasn't necessarily the fault of the tribe, but rather of the federal government for simply allowing the tribe to take what didn't necessarily belong to them.


You are right in identifying the real evil in this all, the current socialist gubmint, but let fault also lie with the indians. Just because another allows you to carry out evil, doesnt make it right.
 
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Chi Chi - mark it on your calendar.

I AGREE WITH YOU

It's a huge issue where I live in a couple of places - people are literally being forced out of their homes with an amount that is much less than fair market value. It's to the point where working class housing is being torn down to build upper middle class housing, and the "reason" is that it would raise property taxes, in turn raising city revenue. I don't think the idea of communism is the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer (though I believe that is what happened in most communist states).

Now, I understand that part of the ruling is supposed to better ensure fair market value - I doubt that will be put in practice.

In the city of St. Louis, for property to be seized for economic development, it has to be declared to be a depressed area. How can it be declared? Someone important just has to call it depressed - this was BEFORE the Supreme Court ruling!
 
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Flipper said:
Chi Chi - mark it on your calendar.

I AGREE WITH YOU

It's a huge issue where I live in a couple of places - people are literally being forced out of their homes with an amount that is much less than fair market value. It's to the point where working class housing is being torn down to build upper middle class housing, and the "reason" is that it would raise property taxes, in turn raising city revenue. I don't think the idea of communism is the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer (though I believe that is what happened in most communist states).

Now, I understand that part of the ruling is supposed to better ensure fair market value - I doubt that will be put in practice.

In the city of St. Louis, for property to be seized for economic development, it has to be declared to be a depressed area. How can it be declared? Someone important just has to call it depressed - this was BEFORE the Supreme Court ruling!


Flip, I knew you would come around, eventually. ;) One other thing. It has happened in every Communist State.
 
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who seem to think government's basic responsibility is to get you what you covet. It is much safer to do it through government than as an individual, gun control laws haven't been too effective yet, so doing it as an idividual is likely to result in gunshot wounds.

I have no real problem with eminent domain so that public works projects can go ahead, my definition of public works doesn't include a shopping mall, or condos. If someone doesn't want to sell to someone else for a private project at a price that makes the project feasible, then that means the project doesn't happen. But that means someone won't make all that money he is already counting in his mind.

I hear a lot of people getting all bent out of shape over homosexuals, but I see that problem as minute in comparison to the greed that is so rapant and in control of the US.

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I'm not sure, that the days of the old west would not be better.... Radical yes, but perhaps a better solution than the folks buying judges, and govt officials.

When states enacted concealed carry laws, crime dropped. No doubt, if disputes were settled via duals, there would be a lot fewer of them. It would also seem to alleviate a lot of greed, unless of course one was an expert marksman.

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I had a co-worker acually blame this decision on captitalism.:doh: Had to correct him that this is a case of our counry, or left leaning judges who like to legislate from the bench, driving toward a socialist society.

He struck back with the governments "intrusion" with the Patriot Act. I was with him all the way up till he started comparing our Feds to the Nazis. A little to Dick Durban for my taste.
 
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The minority would actually agree with your friend. The minority opinion was that the majority had tilted in favor of those with "disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms."

It is difficult to see this as a drive towards communism because the property is not kept by the government. It is using the power of the government to transfer the property from one private owner to another private owner.

It is "liberal" because it is an increase in the power of government, it could also be called socialist because it's public justification is the suppossed public "good" that comes from the projects. It is not communist because far from using government to give equal to all, it increases the distance between people giving the power to use government to people and corporations of sufficient size and power.

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BigNorsk said:
The minority would actually agree with your friend. The minority opinion was that the majority had tilted in favor of those with "disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms."

It is difficult to see this as a drive towards communism because the property is not kept by the government. It is using the power of the government to transfer the property from one private owner to another private owner.

It is "liberal" because it is an increase in the power of government, it could also be called socialist because it's public justification is the suppossed public "good" that comes from the projects. It is not communist because far from using government to give equal to all, it increases the distance between people giving the power to use government to people and corporations of sufficient size and power.

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I agree with you. My co-worker blamed it on capitalism though, not communism. And of course I don't see this being a corperate giant intruding on the public like he saw it, instead local government exspanding on a policy to take away private land. Makes my skin crawl.
 
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