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hello, Eirwen, welcome to CF. Feel yourself at home.
Now, what a question, huh? To answer it, one must to deal with three concepts that, since the world is world, generate tons of discussion and theories:
- death
- Heaven
- soul.
Eirwen, what I can say is that you will get all kind of answers here. Will, probably, end with more doubts. Even if you posted that on the christian-only section of the forum, even there people would not agree. Even if you posted that in the area exclusive to a certain denomination, inside christian only area, people would not agree.
For instance, I believe in pre-existence of the souls and several lives. That way, this kind of question pratically answers itself. Count it as the first opinion, and don't take it as written-in-stone truth, please. Listen the others, there are many, many versions.
In the end, we all stay with the version that is more confortable for ourselves, and build or love for God (whatever is our vision of Him) our own way.
Peace.
Now, what a question, huh? To answer it, one must to deal with three concepts that, since the world is world, generate tons of discussion and theories:
- death
- Heaven
- soul.
Eirwen, what I can say is that you will get all kind of answers here. Will, probably, end with more doubts. Even if you posted that on the christian-only section of the forum, even there people would not agree. Even if you posted that in the area exclusive to a certain denomination, inside christian only area, people would not agree.
For instance, I believe in pre-existence of the souls and several lives. That way, this kind of question pratically answers itself. Count it as the first opinion, and don't take it as written-in-stone truth, please. Listen the others, there are many, many versions.
In the end, we all stay with the version that is more confortable for ourselves, and build or love for God (whatever is our vision of Him) our own way.
Peace.
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It is my understanding that all souls on the other side appear to be in their early 30's.
But as to the age of each soul. It is my understanding that when G-d created everything, the creation of each soul took place as well. Therefor, no matter how old we are on Earth, we are in fact all the same age.
Bare in mind that time is meaningless except when it pertains to life on Earth.
Mind bending isn't it?
But as to the age of each soul. It is my understanding that when G-d created everything, the creation of each soul took place as well. Therefor, no matter how old we are on Earth, we are in fact all the same age.
Bare in mind that time is meaningless except when it pertains to life on Earth.
Mind bending isn't it?
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How do you come to that conclusion? Is there any scripture that backs up that age estimate, or are you just making it up?Wisdom Seeker said:
That makes it seem like everything we learn it our lifetime is worthless.
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It's a good question, but not one I think can be easily answered in Earthly terms.
In onse sense, a child's soul is already more mature than an adult's! Christ said we had to become as trusting as little children again.
In onse sense, a child's soul is already more mature than an adult's! Christ said we had to become as trusting as little children again.
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"time is meaningless" - the way i think of it is that God isnt bound by our time parameters - he exists outside of them. he is alpha and omega - beginning AND end. he doesnt have a birthday coz he was always there - which means he knows everything past and future - u kno a thousand years is as a day and a day is as a thousand years. its hard to grasp but perhaps our eternal souls dont age or have an age (??). although im not sure where the whole early 30's thing comes from, or that all souls were created at once. bible verses?
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I agree with the timelessness of souls. While when we are living we continue to develop spiritually, this development deals with living in the world and not in Heaven, where the soul resides when the body dies. It is not our souls which mature as we grow on this Earth, but we become more in tune with our souls. When we die, whether we be a month old or a hundred years old, our soul is still our soul. After all our soul is the spark of God within us which gives us life, first breathed into Adam upon creation. Anything which the Lord gives us is perfect and does not need to mature, but we must grow to understand and appreciate what is already there. Age does not matter to our souls.
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mature to what it is the purest a soul can be, now thought pattern i would say yes it is given understand of where it is, who god is and all of the above, we must be as a child to be in the kingdom of heaven. i have no scripture to back up that they gain understanding but it makes sence.
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I've wondered about this myself. I've also wondered about pre-birth cogniton. When the baby is in heaven, does it have any recollection from the womb, especially when its at the zygote stage.
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eirwen said:
I think our souls mature by how much we experience. By giving ourselves experience, we give God experience. As member standingontherock mentioned, our souls are the spark of God. This is how I believe God can be omniscient (all knowing?)
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Technically would be a body and spirit that are joined together; indicating a completeness. It is also used synonymously with spirit. Sometimes it is used to represent a being as whole, or an intelligence.an7222 said:
In this case I think it's talking about a person's spirit.
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God's word says I knew you in your mothers womb; thus, no need to be born again. Unborn children do live; they suck their thumbs, etc. At the zygote stage, it's more mysterious; however, I've read literature that discussed prebirth cognition. Can't recall any articles/books off hand thought. HHmm...
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