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I know what I said.You talk so much you can't even remember what you said.
Your whole view assumes the validity and pervasiveness of temporal reality. (Even 'science' is beginning to doubt it!It's the dead that sleep. Not WE.
Jesus did not say WE sleep. he said, Lazarus was sleeping. The little girl was asleep.
The Bible refers to the Saints that sleep in death, and Paul said...
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
At Job 14:13-15, we read the words of Job.
13 If only You would hide me in Sheol and conceal me until Your anger has passed! If only You would appoint a time for me [NOT WE] and then remember me!
14 When a man dies, will he live again? All the days of my hard service I will wait, [NOT WE] until my renewal chaliphah: Change, exchange, relief, renewal comes.
15 You will call, and I will answer; You will desire the work of Your hands.
Since we are not talking about resurrection, this is not about us waiting to see dead ones resurrected.
This is about dead ones sleeping until they are awaken.
It doesn't require much straw to make a strawman, but evidently it is taking a lot to acknowledge the simple fact that the dead one are sleeping, as they are inactive, unconscious, and silent, in the grave, in which we are told "Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming in which all those in the tombs [mnémeion - Derived from μνῆμα (mnēma), which means "a memorial" or "a remembrance."] will hear His voice," John 5:28
Who will hear Jesus' voice?
It is the dead ones - the ones that sleep, who are told to wait.
Daniel 12:2, 13
2 And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.
13 But as for you, go on your way until the end. You will rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.”
Who answers the call of Jesus voice?
It is the dead ones - the ones sleeping, and waiting for their renewal.
This is a basic Bible truth which is being ignored, and resisted. Amazing... but not surprising, since we are told this will happen to those wanting to believe the lie.
2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12
11 For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion [πλάνη plané: Deception, error, delusion, wandering] so that they believe the lie, 12 in order that judgment may come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.
If you want to believe that people are brought back from living in heaven, please, go right ahead.Your whole view assumes the validity and pervasiveness of temporal reality. (Even 'science' is beginning to doubt it!) There is no logical need to assume passage of time beyond death. Our experience of it is satisfied by saying that they are sleeping; but it may well be that they go directly to be with God. And for the few, to be brought back can be as simple as being brought back either from being with God, or immediately from their passing into death.
oops. Jesus Himself was not in paradise for days yet.Witness what Jesus says to the thief —"Today you will be with me in Paradise."
How sad.That's exactly what my position is.
Did Jesus bring the little girl, and Lazarus from heaven back down to earth?
all those in the Abraham's bosom of the underworld were allowed to come to Heaven
Read the Bible reference you posted yourself.
Nothing about Abraham, bosom, underworld, nor heaven. (nor allowed at that time to do anything)
As I get up this morning and pray in contemplation of the mission set before me today, I need someone to explain to me why this matters.
King James Bible
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
King James Bible
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Isn't it worthy of note that the Orthodox beliefs are complicated, and requiring many an explanation, and arguments, since they are always contradicting other Scripture?Did you read the Bible references you posted before
. These new references you post are not them nor even related, and do not refer to followers of Jesus, but was Jesus using the religious leaders own mistakes , almost or maybe in their own words, to confound them face to face while His disciples may have been present and listening . If you care, which is difficult to tell from so many posts in error, see ew.bullingers "the rich man and lazarus", a most accurate explanation of these here Scripture , from Scripture, without complicating and without contradicting other Scripture like the common religious explanations do.
2 Corinthians 6:14-18; Revelation 18:4;Be Becoming Set Apart, less complicated, more wise, more clear, more light.
You don't know that. Strange you would consider yourself authoritative over Scripture.oops. Jesus Himself was not in paradise for days yet.
that infamous comma was added to deceive billions of people.
Only from your POV.I certainly don't think anyone, including you, would say Jesus went with God, and was brought back from being with the father, or immediately from passing into death, and then lied about it.
So, it looks like all your options are hitting a brick wall.
Ok, Let me back up and present a notion, and maybe then you will see better what I am trying to say. But bear in mind, my disclaimer —even this is not quite the way God sees it. It is only a way to look at it, no matter how logical it may seem.At this point, if I were in your position, I would stop, and ask myself... "Corey... What are you doing? It looks like you are fighting against God. In which case, you can't win. Are you siding with Satan?"
To be honest with you, if I were delusional, I won't know what I am doing. I would know that I am trying my best to deny the truth... Deep down I would know I am doing that, but the strong chains that bind me, would prevent me from actually seeing it.
My goose would be cooked, and I could not do anything about it... That is, unless I humbled myself, and accepted the truth.
I have a feeling your arguments aren't exhausted.
Lets hear the next.
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