Atheists, can Christianity be debunked fully?

bhsmte · Mar 18, 2018

cloudyday2 said:
Nothing is 100%. If I said "100%" then I'm sorry to have confused the issue.

There are plenty of religions that can be debunked. Scientology can potentially be debunked by showing the L. Ron Hubbard invented the facts. The same is true for Mormonism. Potentially we could discover that Muhammad didn't exist or that the Quran and Islam were invented after the Muslim Conquests (as a few believe).

Christianity is just as vulnerable to debunking, because it makes historical claims.

There are religions that are less vulnerable to debunking (such as Hinduism mentioned by @Steve Petersen a few posts up). If a religion doesn't claim anything historical or physical then it isn't as vulnerable IMO.

Yes, claims that all religions make, have arguments against them.

DogmaHunter · Mar 19, 2018

cloudyday2 said:
My faith in Christianity has withered to the point that I have a hard time imagining ever believing again, but I like to double-check my conclusions periodically.

So I started in the style of a proof by counter example. Assume Christianity in some basic and standard form is true. Can I find a counter example to debunk this assumption to my satisfaction? Or must I rely on the lack of positive evidence and unlikeliness of Christian claims?

Is there some core assumption of Christianity shared by Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox (so that nobody can dodge the bullet) and then a counter example that would convince a reasonable person that this core assumption is extremely unlikely if not impossible?

EDIT: And exclude the assumptions from Christian scholasticism such as omnipotence, omnibenevolence, etc. I don't consider those things core assumptions. A core assumption might be "the crucifixion served a divine purpose". That's the type of thing I'm after.

There is a potentially infinite amount of unfalsifiable ideas that can not be debunked and these are only really limited by ones imagination.

You don't believe all those things, so why would it matter if an unfalsifiable god can't be debunked?

That an unfalsifiable idea can not be debunked, doesn't seem relevant. The burden of proof is not on the side of the unbeliever.

DogmaHunter · Mar 19, 2018

cloudyday2 said:
Christianity is partially based on a historical narrative. For example, if the words of Jesus demonstrate that an apocalypse was expected in 20 years, then Christianity is kaput in my opinion. All these things of course can be denied by those who aren't willing to look with skepticism.

The problem with the scriptural claims of christianity (or any other religion), is that they can be said to mean just about anything.

Every time science explained something that was previously attributed to gods, or debunked some religious story / claim, the followers of said religion quickly scrambled and "re-interpreted" those specific claims and verses.

It's an argument that unbelievers can't win, because theists keep changing the rules of engagement and / or keep moving the goalposts.

DogmaHunter · Mar 19, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
If it cannot be proven or disproven, truth is not known.

You have some odd thinking about truth.

Personally I wouldn’t roll the dice on eternity. That’s a long, long, long time if your wrong.

Like going ‘all in’ in poker with no hand at all

Ow great.... another wager with Pascal.

What if Jawhe doesn't exist, but Allah does?
Or any of the other thousands of gods that humans came up with?
Or any of the millions potential gods that humans haven't thought up yet?

DogmaHunter · Mar 19, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
Well. I pray all the time to my God and I know my God exists.

Every theist seems to know that their personal god exists.
Only problem is that theist A "knows" a different god then theist B.
And both can't be correct.

At least one of them HAS to be wrong.
They can also ALL be wrong.

Interesting how the non-spiritual discount the spiritual even when they’ve not experienced it.

I discount the "spiritual" (in the theistic sense) just like I discount unicorn, alien abductions, loch ness monsters, leprechauns etc. For the exact same reason.

I would also add there are over 4 BILLION Christians on earth right now believing in and worshipping our God.

Errr...... you might want to divide that number by 2.
And also: argument from popularity.

100% of people can believe X and be wrong about it.

Discounting billions of people

Like you discount more then a billion muslims?

DogmaHunter · Mar 19, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
What I saw I think was a graph as of 2015 in the article.

But maybe I was incorrect.

Still. The numbers are very high.

There are +7 billion people in the world.
These numbers mean that only 2 in 7 (at most) are christians.

That's a minority.
It means that the majority of people, do not share your belief.

On the other hand though, all 7 billion people have no problem believing that if you jump from a cliff, it will not end well. Ask yourself why that is the case.

DogmaHunter · Mar 19, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
Why don't you 'show me the data' from a source that has proven that.

Come on, is this your best? Seems like now you are just making things up and desperate.

I hope I’m wrong when you post a link to a reputable source. We’ll see.

He just told you that he used to be a believer who prayed.
Are you calling him a liar?

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