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Explain the atom or the energy in the atom and not how it works. Why it exsits and where did it come from and how does it sustain its self and energy.....The basic building blocks of life and I mean basic!
You know what I've come to notice. When people of general acknowledgment can't socially discuss knowledge they tend to divert the conversation away from the argument to the person that holds the view. Hmmm did you just do that
Science illuminates, but things don't evolve. That was and is my point in case. It's funny how you guys can't make your case. Explain the atom or the energy in the atom and not how it works. Why it exsits and where did it come from and how does it sustain its self and energy.....The basic building blocks of life and I mean basic!
According to the bible; the earth is a flat disc. Now even some of the Greek philosophers 2,600 ago knew the earth to be a sphere and the sun to be the centre of our solar system; and they did this by simple observation and logic!What is funny though the Bible has enlightened us thousand of years before we understood it or tells us how it is. Then we come to affirm it with technology over tiiiiiime and you chalk it up as no intelligence of Bible.lol Science can't be behind it all..... Science comes after the fact!
Science explains the facts, it explains why things are the way they are, and why they aren't the way they aren't. No more, no less.Science can't be behind it all..... Science comes after the fact!
Indeed I can't, which is why no (sensible) person says that God categorically does not exist. What we do say is that there's no evidence for God, any more than there's evidence for the Tooth Fairy, or ghosts.So you can't tell me without a doubt God isn't behind it ALL (prove it)!
Yes, I did: thermonuclear fusion. Specifically, the Sun.Also you haven't explained to me about where the energy of these inanimate objects molecular building blocks comes from and how it is sustained or what sustains the earth.
I think you mean "life wouldn't exist". The so-called 'dials of life' are more variable than you might think. But the key point is that a) there are a lot of planets out there, each with a different 'combination' of variables; even if it's supremely unlikely that any one planet 'gets it right', we nonetheless expect a small number to get it right. On those planets, life will form and evolve. We must necessarily be on one of those planets, because if we weren't, life could never have formed, and we couldn't be there.Which is suspended in outer space nor have you explained all the dials of life on earth that sustains life (earth distance from the sun, earth axis 23.5%, ozone, ocean salt content 3.5%, gravity etc). Where if one was removed life would exists.
So?Even in your body, cells live independently of your though and live by their own memory, but live in community of other cells!!
Hardly. If you want to know the scientific explanation for this or that, just ask. You don't have to go off on a rant, and then declare victory before the other person has even had time to respond. Did it ever occur to you that maybe scientists do understand these things? That we can quite easily answer these questions you have?You have nothing. Just trails of science erected from error and laws of whatever, not knowing the whys of light, motion, speed, Quantum physics, arithmetic etc,( just the does and don't of the matter) but when it comes to the purpose of life or the cause. You can only see the effect and you speculate. For you can't get your mind around the why, so you ignore the cause. Why?
It couldn't, obviously. The tree evolved chemicals to kill the bug after it started eating its leaves. But bear in mind this wasn't an intelligent process: mutations in its offspring's DNA occasionally made certain proteins toxic to the bugs, and those offspring were suddenly much better off than their kin (who were still being eaten).What in the beginning plants and bugs co-existed. How could a tree know that a bug would eat its leaves and know to produce a chemical that would kill that particular bug ,before they existed?
I'd say the tree evolved, because I know it's a self-replicating organism whose offsprings are minor varients of itself (which is the definition of evolution).. But the signature is not.If you walked up to a tree and someone left their signature carved into its trunk. Would you say it evolved
Agreed.DNA is a mathematical equation of information. That lets one know eye,skin, and hair color etc
Uhuh. If you have any other questions about evolution, or physics, or science in general, don't hesitate to ask me or one of my compdrésOn and on this goes..... You can play with the rest of your life in the science of life and ignore the cause...... Do you miss the point? You will even say that there is some sort of pattern to life, you would call it mother nature lol, but you still have missed the point and so you haven't graveled with the real substance of life......God speed, my friend before His great grace runs out.
Evolution!!!!!!!!1111Intelligent design!!!!!!
Which is my point as well. Patterns aren't accidents, they're products of well-understood natural laws. But they're not the product of a mind.I'm saying the nautilus puts each septa there as it grows, it's not an accident that they are patterned.
You don't know very much about the Atomic theory do you? If you delve in the realms of science then be prepared to follow the rules lest you be ridiculed for your ignorance! I do not mean to be insulting here just to warn you that science is not faith nor faith based. It deals strictly with imperial evidences and must follow certain rules. One cannot make up things and expect to have them accepted on face value alone.Explain the atom or the energy in the atom and not how it works. Why it exsits and where did it come from and how does it sustain its self and energy.....The basic building blocks of life and I mean basic!
According to the bible; the earth is a flat disc.
No one can prove that God doesn't exist until they die. If they are right we have lost nothing. If they are wrong, they are in for a hell of a time.
The believer has no need to prove that God exists as what makes belief is faith. An atheist exercises faith every time they sit down. They have faith that the chair will hold their weight. If they didn't they would not sit down. Their faith is rewarded when they sit down and the chair doesn't collapse.
The believer through faith believes there is a God who created heaven and earth and us. He has no reason to believe otherwise until the evidence reveals otherwise. so far, it hasn't happened.
Despite what atheists say, they cannot prove there is no God, they can only surmise as evolution is a theory, not a fact. Although atheists say that they have facts to prove evolution, there are plenty of people out there than can prove evolution is a fairy story that has been invented to remove God out of the equation.
It's not a diversion - I'd love to discuss scientific knowledge, but you have to have some first. I won't try to teach a 38-year-old basic biochem from scratch over an internet forum. The fact that he doesn't know it in the first place suggests he has no interest in ever learning.You know what I've come to notice. When people of general acknowledgment can't socially discuss knowledge they tend to divert the conversation away from the argument to the person that holds the view. Hmmm did you just do that
So you want me to give you the purpose of the existence of matter?Science illuminates, but things don't evolve. That was and is my point in case. It's funny how you guys can't make your case. Explain the atom or the energy in the atom and not how it works. Why it exsits and where did it come from and how does it sustain its self and energy.....The basic building blocks of life and I mean basic!
Bad example. I have sat in a multitude of chairs. I don't have faith that the chair will hold me up. I can base the belief in the chair holding me up in past performance of chairs. I know that big, comfy chairs will most likely hold my weight in a comfortable matter. I also know that small, cheap plastic chairs may not. This is not faith.The believer has no need to prove that God exists as what makes belief is faith. An atheist exercises faith every time they sit down. They have faith that the chair will hold their weight. If they didn't they would not sit down. Their faith is rewarded when they sit down and the chair doesn't collapse.
Hmmmm. Prove that I do not own a white Jeep. Until such time I own a white Jeep.The believer through faith believes there is a God who created heaven and earth and us. He has no reason to believe otherwise until the evidence reveals otherwise. so far, it hasn't happened.
Got names? I'd love to meet these people that can prove evolution is a fairy story.Despite what atheists say, they cannot prove there is no God, they can only surmise as evolution is a theory, not a fact. Although atheists say that they have facts to prove evolution, there are plenty of people out there than can prove evolution is a fairy story that has been invented to remove God out of the equation.
And plenty of people have faith that Vishnu created the world. Why should we believe you over them? The amount of evidence is the same.At the end of the day, we have faith that enables us to accept that God exists, has obtained salvation for us through his son Jesus which has made it possible to have our sin forgiven and to be in a right relationship with the Father. Part of that includes our eternal salvation in the new heaven and earth which we will be resident in free from all sin, sickness and war.
All atheists are liars? Quite a broad brush you have there.The atheist on the other hand cannot compute what faith is so he is totally dependant on so called facts which he has to create for without them he has no case to argue. As a result, once you believe a lie (of Satan) you have to create more lies to cover up the embarrasment of the previous lies.
Mmmmm...I love a good ad hominem first thing in the morning.Therefore his whole life is all about scouring the universe for those details that will prop up his hypothesis. I get the distinct impression that they spend 24/7 reading books, surfing the internet and going to lectures and presentations in an attempt to find out more about what they don't know. Their social life must be a big fat zero.
And you have proof that atheism caused these men to kill? Please present.If anyone wants to know a universe without God, just look at those who have tried to eliminate him. Stalin tried to produce an atheist state that made religion illegal and to achieve that he had to kill 60 million people.
Then of course there is Chairman Mao who was convinced that salvation came through him and the State. If you disagreed you died, all 77 million.
Except for Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Quatar, and UAE all gave money. Is that a lie for Jesus?Today, we had a tsunami in Indonesia the largest islamic country population wise. John Howard gave a $1 billion to them for aid. John Howard is a Christian. Not one Islamic state gave aid to Indonesia. It seems that the one true God has a lot more compassion than atheists and muslims towards his enemies but then that should not surpise us as he told us to love our enemies.
You may find these interesting:Chapter and verse please.
I did not say I was a Godlian but a Christian; as in believing the message Jesus tried to give mankind. Now as one who lived in the Bronze age and having been brought up to believe in a flat earth; Jesus could not do otherwise. This however is not a reason to discard his messages of brotherly love etc. I do not believe in the existence of any deity. Jesus was an historical figure and probably the first socialist. Good for him and I believe in his principles not his superstitions!An atheist christian is an oxymoron. They don't exist the same as an honest politician doesn't or very rarely.
What intelligence, exactly?But this was the production of intelligence...
According to the bible; the earth is a flat disc. Now even some of the Greek philosophers 2,600 ago knew the earth to be a sphere and the sun to be the centre of our solar system; and they did this by simple observation and logic!
The nautilus grew it, but not because of its intelligence. If you go back to my original discussion with andyhart, you'll see we were talking about how patterns can only arise because a mind is behind them (e.g., human writing). My counterpoint was that there are many patterns in nature that don't arise because of some mind creating them, and the nautilus shell is one such pattern. The nautilus creates the septa, but it doesn't do it to create the pattern we see. As far as it's concerned, it's just periodically inching forward as it grows, sealing the shell behind it when it moves. It doesn't intend to create the pattern, but it does.The nautilus...
The nautilus grew it, but not because of its intelligence. If you go back to my original discussion with andyhart, you'll see we were talking about how patterns can only arise because a mind is behind them (e.g., human writing). My counterpoint was that there are many patterns in nature that don't arise because of some mind creating them, and the nautilus shell is one such pattern. The nautilus creates the septa, but it doesn't do it to create the pattern we see. As far as it's concerned, it's just periodically inching forward as it grows, sealing the shell behind it when it moves. It doesn't intend to create the pattern, but it does.
Saying that the golden spiral seen in nautili shells is a result of an intelligent mind is hair-splitting to the extreme. For the purposes of the argument, it's a naturally occuring pattern. The thing itself is biological, but it's not conciously, intelligently, knowingly created by an mind for a specific, forethought purpose.
Its not faith, but a judgement call based on understanding and experience.
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