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<blockquote data-quote="Freodin" data-source="post: 72056766" data-attributes="member: 1363"><p>As you said to Mark, you two are indeed very different. Read his posts again. He basically does nothing but state that he doesn't begrudge you your happiness, and points out that he can have that, too.</p><p></p><p>But you cannot accept that.</p><p></p><p>You have been through a difficult time. You have lost a loved one. And your faith kept you up. That's great for you.</p><p></p><p>But why do you feel this need to put other people down? Why do you need to deny their experiences?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok, let's compare.</p><p>(Short background to establish a comparable situation. I am single. Always have been. My father died some 20 years back, and my family consisted of my mentally handicapped brother, for whom I was responsible, and my aging mother.)</p><p>About four years ago, my brother was diagnosed with stomach cancer. The treatment was hard on him and he needed all my support. It was a full-time job for me caring for him. Ultimately, he succumbed to the cancer. He spend his last days at home, in my care. It wasn't easy, to say the least. I watched him die. I organized the funeral, alone, on my own.</p><p>My mother was devastated. Two days after my brother's death, she complained about stomach aches, so painful that I drove her to hospital. She didn't come home again... she had had a minor heart attack and died from complications. I organized another funeral, while my brother's had not even yet happened. Alone, on my own, because now I was the only one left of my family.</p><p></p><p>I never lost control. Never needed pills or alcohol. Never broke in my grief, never ranted against fate, the world or the non-existent gods in which I don't believe. I didn't need to "pray for strength"... I just did what I had to do.</p><p></p><p>I have no belief in God. And yet, my experiences do not seem that different from yours. So don't tell me I am "lost", and I am missing something. You don't know me, you don't know what kinds of happiness and peace I have or have not in my life.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Freodin, post: 72056766, member: 1363"] As you said to Mark, you two are indeed very different. Read his posts again. He basically does nothing but state that he doesn't begrudge you your happiness, and points out that he can have that, too. But you cannot accept that. You have been through a difficult time. You have lost a loved one. And your faith kept you up. That's great for you. But why do you feel this need to put other people down? Why do you need to deny their experiences? Ok, let's compare. (Short background to establish a comparable situation. I am single. Always have been. My father died some 20 years back, and my family consisted of my mentally handicapped brother, for whom I was responsible, and my aging mother.) About four years ago, my brother was diagnosed with stomach cancer. The treatment was hard on him and he needed all my support. It was a full-time job for me caring for him. Ultimately, he succumbed to the cancer. He spend his last days at home, in my care. It wasn't easy, to say the least. I watched him die. I organized the funeral, alone, on my own. My mother was devastated. Two days after my brother's death, she complained about stomach aches, so painful that I drove her to hospital. She didn't come home again... she had had a minor heart attack and died from complications. I organized another funeral, while my brother's had not even yet happened. Alone, on my own, because now I was the only one left of my family. I never lost control. Never needed pills or alcohol. Never broke in my grief, never ranted against fate, the world or the non-existent gods in which I don't believe. I didn't need to "pray for strength"... I just did what I had to do. I have no belief in God. And yet, my experiences do not seem that different from yours. So don't tell me I am "lost", and I am missing something. You don't know me, you don't know what kinds of happiness and peace I have or have not in my life. [/QUOTE]
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