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<blockquote data-quote="stevevw" data-source="post: 75147046" data-attributes="member: 342064"><p>Abuse is abuse and there is no way to make it non-abuse in unjustified situations. If there is good reason to put someone through some hurtful situation then its, not abuse. The meaning of abuse according to the dictionary is 'to use (something) to bad effect or for a bad purpose; misuse'. So really there is no such thing as good abuse or justified abuse. It is just an act that is done to bad effect and purpose and has no good reason for being done. So the broad understanding you are talking about doesn't exist and is just an attempt to justify abuse.</p><p></p><p>If you said to 100 people from different cultures do you think it is OK to abuse a child they would all agree that it was wrong. What possible reason could they say that abusing a child was OK if that abuse was for no good effect or purpose? Therefore anyone who claims that it is OK to abuse a child is wrong.</p><p></p><p>It is often the different factual understandings between cultures that people mistake as the relative moral differences rather than them actually disagreeing about the moral value itself. Like with the moral of respect for people in greeting them. Different cultures approach this differently where some kiss, others embrace, and others shake hands. But to some kissing or not embracing may seem immoral and therefore they have a different moral value.</p><p></p><p>But that is not the moral value. The moral value is to greet someone with respect and all cultures agree in this moral. They just have a different way of expressing that. If you strip away these different cultural approaches you will usually find that we all have pretty similar moral values. Those who claim they have good reasons for doing something alien to what we all know is wrong don't really make much sense when you examine it and nor can they really justify things.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevevw, post: 75147046, member: 342064"] Abuse is abuse and there is no way to make it non-abuse in unjustified situations. If there is good reason to put someone through some hurtful situation then its, not abuse. The meaning of abuse according to the dictionary is 'to use (something) to bad effect or for a bad purpose; misuse'. So really there is no such thing as good abuse or justified abuse. It is just an act that is done to bad effect and purpose and has no good reason for being done. So the broad understanding you are talking about doesn't exist and is just an attempt to justify abuse. If you said to 100 people from different cultures do you think it is OK to abuse a child they would all agree that it was wrong. What possible reason could they say that abusing a child was OK if that abuse was for no good effect or purpose? Therefore anyone who claims that it is OK to abuse a child is wrong. It is often the different factual understandings between cultures that people mistake as the relative moral differences rather than them actually disagreeing about the moral value itself. Like with the moral of respect for people in greeting them. Different cultures approach this differently where some kiss, others embrace, and others shake hands. But to some kissing or not embracing may seem immoral and therefore they have a different moral value. But that is not the moral value. The moral value is to greet someone with respect and all cultures agree in this moral. They just have a different way of expressing that. If you strip away these different cultural approaches you will usually find that we all have pretty similar moral values. Those who claim they have good reasons for doing something alien to what we all know is wrong don't really make much sense when you examine it and nor can they really justify things. [/QUOTE]
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