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<blockquote data-quote="zippy2006" data-source="post: 75142688" data-attributes="member: 342410"><p>For Aquinas conscience binds, so we ought to act according to conscience. Further, since conscience is an intellectual phenomenon it is amenable to reason and deliberation. It is hard to imagine a case where conscience understood thusly contradicts a known objective moral truth. If the moral truth is truly known then it would not conflict with conscience, and if we are enticed to act contrary to a known moral truth then deliberation should have the power to lead us to act rightly.</p><p></p><p>See the reply to objection 2 in <em><a href="https://www.newadvent.org/summa/2019.htm#article5" target="_blank">ST Ia IIae, Q. 19, A. 5</a></em>. There Aquinas basically says that it is reasonable to submit one's reason (conscience) to something which one believes to be above one's reason (such as God or God's commandment). That act of submission is itself flowing from our reason/conscience, and so it would be improper to say that "reason would be entirely erroneous."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not convinced that there are infallible routes to be had. There is no circumventing conscience. I think it is much like asking how one can be certain of objective truth. In general you can't, and even if you can the certainty won't be communicable anyway.</p><p></p><p>Of course some may believe in infallible sources such as the Bible or the Church or the Pope. I think those do act as authentic guides to conscience, but it's not clear that they can simply override conscience absent a reasoned act of submission. "I shall drink to the Pope, if you please, still, to conscience first, and to the Pope afterwards" (Cardinal Newman).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="zippy2006, post: 75142688, member: 342410"] For Aquinas conscience binds, so we ought to act according to conscience. Further, since conscience is an intellectual phenomenon it is amenable to reason and deliberation. It is hard to imagine a case where conscience understood thusly contradicts a known objective moral truth. If the moral truth is truly known then it would not conflict with conscience, and if we are enticed to act contrary to a known moral truth then deliberation should have the power to lead us to act rightly. See the reply to objection 2 in [I][URL='https://www.newadvent.org/summa/2019.htm#article5']ST Ia IIae, Q. 19, A. 5[/URL][/I]. There Aquinas basically says that it is reasonable to submit one's reason (conscience) to something which one believes to be above one's reason (such as God or God's commandment). That act of submission is itself flowing from our reason/conscience, and so it would be improper to say that "reason would be entirely erroneous." I'm not convinced that there are infallible routes to be had. There is no circumventing conscience. I think it is much like asking how one can be certain of objective truth. In general you can't, and even if you can the certainty won't be communicable anyway. Of course some may believe in infallible sources such as the Bible or the Church or the Pope. I think those do act as authentic guides to conscience, but it's not clear that they can simply override conscience absent a reasoned act of submission. "I shall drink to the Pope, if you please, still, to conscience first, and to the Pope afterwards" (Cardinal Newman). [/QUOTE]
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